Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Liking Typhoon changes (similarly Fleet Typhoon boost for those with the mad skills :P), also assume it has a new model in the pipeline for the future for the new Minmatar aesthetic which we're slowly seeing roll out?

For the Tempest why not give it a single larger damage bonus leaving room for a tracking or falloff bonus. Decision depends on the range we're going for I guess. Looking at effective unbonused guns,

Mael currently has 10.67 effective guns, with the alpha of 8, just as always.

Temp similarly unchanged, still has 10 effective guns with the alpha of 7.5. But with no bonus to the application of that damage over the Mael except it's somewhat better maneuverability (which would no doubt be offset in an armour layout).

So I've thought about a few alternative damage bonuses, whether it's paired with falloff for more capability in medium/extreme range or tracking for more use against smaller/close range targets is a decision left to whoever is sure what "attack" means.

7.5% RoF, Reduces the Temp to only 6 gun alpha (leaving the Mael as alpha king, ie: premier sniper), but keeps 9.6 effective guns for raw dps. Obviously would pair well with either falloff or tracking. (Probably tracking as the lack of alpha biases shorter range brawling)

10% RoF (this one feels a bit OP), While still having the unimpressive 6 gun alpha, it would now have 12 effective guns (leaving it ahead of the Vargur, 10.67, and slightly ahead of the Mach, 11.67, ofc still lacking the other bonuses, traits and alpha of both). Still, would now carry among the highest t1 BS dps at the relatively minor cost of being an ammo whore. Not even sure I'd want to give it an application bonus to go with this strength of dps bonus, same considerations apply for whether tracking/falloff though, who knows maybe pair an agility bonus with it instead :P?

10% Damage, Might seem a bit much but it only gives the Tempest 9 effective guns (the lowest so far), however in this iteration it would now have the edge on alpha over the Mael and even the Mach, 8.75 gun alpha, (9 effective guns now also means 9 gun alpha) making it a solid choice for sniping (and other alpha based activities :P). Either tracking or falloff paired with this would improve it's sniping ability tbh so it would definitely feel biased to that role.

12.5% Damage, a bit much imo and would be the highest flat damage bonus I've seen on a ship that's not a faction frig or other specialized role. Would also rock a slightly terrifying 9.75 effective guns and alpha (putting it only behind the Tribal temp on alpha, 10 gun alpha... and ofc the Tribal isn't really a consideration for real EVE...) making it the definite choice imo for alot of activities, again either tracking or falloff would make it a strong gunnery platform.

Anyway, that's all I've got to say on that. Fundamentally it's only two choices followed by another two options but still laid it out anyway. I'm not certain which is my personal favourite, the somewhat OP 10% RoF is obviously nice, but I know CCP is actively avoiding outright buffs atm and this one certainly would be. 12.5% damage would be similarly nice, but 10% dam/7.5% Rof are the definitely the more reasonable choices, the paired bonus really depends on what role CCP has in mind although tracking helps at all ranges to an extent. Thinking of it, 10% Dam/7.5% Tracking might be the most sensible overall. It loses 10% raw dps (quite a loss I know), but gains some application and the highest alpha of any t1 BS in 1400 fit (also the tracking bonus would make up for the loss of tracking by taking tracking comps to maintain full range instead of the now nerfed TEs on lows). Definitely hedges it in as the superior sniper on that choice, I would think the application bonus would still make it strong (and more unique) at close range. Obviously its mobility may be another thing to look at, but not sure it would be entirely necessary after any of these changes giving it more of a role.

Finally, I appreciate there may be other BS in need of more help and construction suggestions than the Tempest, but I don't care :P, looking after my own first :P

edit: Alternatively, lazy (probably OP) buff to 7.5% on both bonuses giving it 13.2 effective guns (RAAWR!) and 8.25 gun alpha making it the projectile king in flat dps, just no bonuses to application. Also, don't know about everyone else, but I'd happily drop to 1 utility high for a 7th low slot?

Final note, the effective guns for the different ships assumes ship skills level 5, the actual level of support skills doesn't matter so long as they're the same for all comparisons and that 1 gun is still 1 effective gun after considering bonuses from support skills but before considering ship skills.

Been dumb, forgot it doesn't get a double raw damage bonus. 10.67 effective turrets and 8 gun alpha. Will fix it in original post.

It really is going to be popular, nano fit makes it maneuver like a BC (even a slow cruiser if you really go for it) and cruises are only marginally behind torps if you switch to fury missiles. I tried making a similar fit on the temp and just felt "meh".

Opinions seem fair to me besides general slandering of Minmatar :P, on the money with the Temp, it's speed and agi are fine as yes it is nice and fast for a BS already. It's just very questionable in the role of "attack" BS in terms of its damage capabilities as it doesn't shine compared to the other two in any respect. 7 guns or tweaking the bonuses would likely be a solution. Made an excessive post on it above.

We gave them a lot of very good ideas, WOudl sy dozens of well defended and annalyzed Ideas. But CCP is stubborn. There are things that no matter how obvious, some people simply keep in denial . Anyoen with a brain can see how gallente battleships are in a completely different class to the tempest. How the typhoon, maelstrom, mega eand tornado leave the temest onlypossible role as "Looking cool because its vertical"

Basically typhoon and tempest should exchange speed, mass, signature. Typhoon is already much more powerful on other aspects, even a bit TOO powerful. That would get both ships closer to a proper balance.

When are these going be unstickied to give Page 1 back to Player Posts? Odyssey is in and the Feedback and Issues threads are active. Why not replace these with a "Link Sticky" to those two threads?

We all know how lazy we are to go clicking...wait for it...past Page 3 of this Forum section.

I believe the fitting issues are working as intended. If they were able to fit everything for maximum dps they'd be demonstrably better than other missile ships.

Really it just comes down to my play style with the typhoon. I use it as a 2x heavy neut platform that has to be able to apply good DPS to cruiser sized ships which means i need drones and autocannons since torps just don't cut it against a T3. Since the changes the regular phoon has lost it's ability to fill that niche for me competely and the fleet phoon has lost a ton of potential EHP and doesn't really have the fitting to utilize the extra turret hardpoint without gimping yourself by dropping a plate, a heavy neut, swapping to a medium cap booster (which is terrible on a neuting battleship) or using a +5 PG implant.

Compared to it's former self the fleet phoon gains a little over 200 DPS for the loss of a well fitted cruiser's worth of EHP (35.5K EHP). It's terrible compared to what it was, I can understand the regular typhoon trying to fill it's new role and all but why does it have a utility high you can't use with a full rack of t2 torps. Maybe it'll be good for small gang pvp with battleships (does this even exist?) but for small gang pvp where you're potentially going to encounter smaller targets the thing is a big target that can hardly defend itself anymore. What's done is done though so as far as I'm concerned R.I.P. typhoon and get well soon typhoon fleet issue.