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Navy mega or kronos

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trestac tisicpecto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-06 20:55:25 UTC
Hello, now that megathron was boosted pretty rapidly along with navy mega, which in your oppinion is better for lvl 4? If you dont count the loot&salvage on the way, just battle wise
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-06-06 21:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Lets see. 10 effective guns vs 9.33 effective guns, same tracking bonus, uber 90% webs, tanking bonus, partial T2 resists, less ammo and cap usage on the guns, and only 75 Mbit vs 125 Mbit drone bandwidth. Somehow I don't think an extra 50 Mbit in drone bandwidth really makes up for the all the stuff the Navy Mega doesn't get. Although there is the training time and price tag to consider. I guess the low sensor strength could be an issue if you are going against Guristas.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#3 - 2013-06-06 21:18:42 UTC
For most missioning applications, and especially versus Serpentis, the Kronos will clean house. It's easily better than the other two.

thhief ghabmoef

The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#4 - 2013-06-06 21:32:07 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
Navy Mega is a bit better for DPS(extra low for a extra damage mod) and 2 extra sentrys, that also helps to deploy non kin/therm damage types and you get the full 37.5% tracking bonus with BS 5 instead of marauders 5. The higher lock speed, speed and sensor strength is also nice.

I for myself however prefer the Kronos, even if you don't loot all, you can at least get some BS loot while shooting stuff or the mission loot(like the damsel) fairly quick and effortless up to 48km. It also can be fitted with multiple drone links to push Sentry dps up to 100km, uses less ammo and the tank bonus + extra kin/thermal resists are pretty good for omni tanking(plug the explo hole and than simply add 1-2 EANM) if you are, like me lazy with swapping hardeners, in gets the job done this way even in the AE Bonus stage(I made a vid a few years ago doing it with a Kronos and a 300 dps tank). While the web bonus isn't always useful, it actually enables you to use rails plus sentry's even at close range against cruisers and bigger hulls up to full dps, making Angel missions and some short range brawls considerably faster without watching drone agro or swapping drones around. You can fit a T2 rof or damage rig on it(you can't do on the navy mega while filling the other 2 slots with something useful), so the turret DPS is higher, what can be useful in some cases(for example if you deploy small drones to deal with frigs) and it needs no faction gear to fit it(it is one of the few gallente hulls that got enough cpu for everything).

If you want the last bit of performance the navy mega is probably the ship for you, if you want something that simply works nearly as good with less effort on the cap and tank management, saves a lot of faction ammo in the long run, got some funky features that speed some missions up(48km tractor beam, 90% web) and don't mission a lot vs Guristas I would pick the Kronos.

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Decimus Barca
Clubs and Diamonds
#5 - 2013-06-06 23:26:42 UTC
So where dose the VINDI fit into all of this? ^_^
Doed
Tyrfing Industries
#6 - 2013-06-06 23:48:23 UTC
Decimus Barca wrote:
So where dose the VINDI fit into all of this? ^_^


It doesn't, Kronos outclasses it.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-07 01:25:25 UTC
Doed wrote:
Decimus Barca wrote:
So where dose the VINDI fit into all of this? ^_^


It doesn't, Kronos outclasses it.

How so? The Vindi outputs more gun DPS and drone DPS. While it lacks the defensive bonuses I wouldn't call it so clear overall in the Kronos' favor
Ron Maudieu
#8 - 2013-06-07 06:19:43 UTC
Vindi targeting range is horrible, so if you're running against Serpentis, have fun.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-07 07:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Doed wrote:
Decimus Barca wrote:
So where dose the VINDI fit into all of this? ^_^


It doesn't, Kronos outclasses it.

How so? The Vindi outputs more gun DPS and drone DPS. While it lacks the defensive bonuses I wouldn't call it so clear overall in the Kronos' favor


Vindi is an awesome close range ship due to its immense dps and webs, which makes it a perfect Hub ratter, but as soon as you need range, you'll have severe issues due to web bonus being worthless, short targeting range and a relatively weak tank (no T2 resists). So Kronos for L4s, Vindi for ratting. :)
Doed
Tyrfing Industries
#10 - 2013-06-07 07:32:37 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Doed wrote:
Decimus Barca wrote:
So where dose the VINDI fit into all of this? ^_^


It doesn't, Kronos outclasses it.

How so? The Vindi outputs more gun DPS and drone DPS. While it lacks the defensive bonuses I wouldn't call it so clear overall in the Kronos' favor

Kronos hits 1007.4 dps from its guns alone while still fielding a decent tank, a tc and an MWD, having good targeting range and 84km vs 60km drone range, vindi can only field 1 more sentry with really lame range. Oh, it also uses just above half the ammo
trestac tisicpecto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-07 09:10:24 UTC
thx, i will buy kronos then, maybe when they revisit faction bs, situation will change. I was just curious about navy megas ROF bonus, +1 low slot and drones. If this in you oppinion didn't moved the scales.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-07 19:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Doed wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Doed wrote:
Decimus Barca wrote:
So where dose the VINDI fit into all of this? ^_^


It doesn't, Kronos outclasses it.

How so? The Vindi outputs more gun DPS and drone DPS. While it lacks the defensive bonuses I wouldn't call it so clear overall in the Kronos' favor

Kronos hits 1007.4 dps from its guns alone while still fielding a decent tank, a tc and an MWD, having good targeting range and 84km vs 60km drone range, vindi can only field 1 more sentry with really lame range. Oh, it also uses just above half the ammo

So from this the 2 advantages of the kronos would be the tank and ammo consumption while the Vindi had raw DPS for both guns and drones (unless at longer ranges, but why cut into your DPS unnecessarily with LR ammo). Since the tank can be made up by upgrading modules and in many cases may not be a significant factor while the DPS tends to be more constant a factor I suppose I'll have to disagree on the Kronos being a clear victor.
Domer Pyle
Lone Star Warriors
Brave Collective
#13 - 2013-06-07 20:05:06 UTC
machariel > kronos, even after the TE nerf. or get a vindi. kronos is lulz.

"Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron

Doed
Tyrfing Industries
#14 - 2013-06-08 09:26:20 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Doed wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Doed wrote:
Decimus Barca wrote:
So where dose the VINDI fit into all of this? ^_^


It doesn't, Kronos outclasses it.

How so? The Vindi outputs more gun DPS and drone DPS. While it lacks the defensive bonuses I wouldn't call it so clear overall in the Kronos' favor

Kronos hits 1007.4 dps from its guns alone while still fielding a decent tank, a tc and an MWD, having good targeting range and 84km vs 60km drone range, vindi can only field 1 more sentry with really lame range. Oh, it also uses just above half the ammo

So from this the 2 advantages of the kronos would be the tank and ammo consumption while the Vindi had raw DPS for both guns and drones (unless at longer ranges, but why cut into your DPS unnecessarily with LR ammo). Since the tank can be made up by upgrading modules and in many cases may not be a significant factor while the DPS tends to be more constant a factor I suppose I'll have to disagree on the Kronos being a clear victor.


Vindi is sliiiightly faster, 1221(Vindi) dps with 4 wardens vs 1142 with 3 wardens(Kronos) Vindi fields a sub 400 dps tank (mission specific) vs Kronos' 540+

383 dps tank(serp) will do fine, but people tend to like having abit more it seems, adding another hardner to the Vindi so it hits around 500 it'll drop to 1155 dps, which is 13 more than the Kronos at the cost of way more ammo usage, crap drone control range, and worse targeting range.

As for the "Get a mach luls" comment, Navy Domi will smother your Mach in Gurista/Serp missions.