EVE General Discussion

Simply put, trying to get more of any demographic without understanding what you're selling is going to set you up for failure. Firstly, EVE isn't a male-only game. It's a spaceship/scifi only game. EVE being spaceship/scifi focused in this decade puts it at a disadvantage.against other games in general. Look at the dozens of fantasy games that have come and gone over the last five years and you'll see that EVE and other scifi franchises are pretty rare (This even includes big name franchises like Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed). And furthermore, scifi as a general fiction genre is at it's lows right now in terms of fan-base overall. So, I really don't see how CCP is suppose to grow EVE into a larger segment of any population regardless of demographic if that demographic in general does not find scifi or spaceships appealing.

I'm not trying to be mean about this, but it's just plain dumb to suggest EVE needs X population or Y demographic spread. CCP's own executives would have to pull a major change in how they deploy their assets regarding EVE. That means redesigning not only the core game, but the business model as well. That's no small feat and it's not going to happen at least any time soon. Even for a company like CCP who's not a giant like EA, it still takes time to make any complex move in policy and/or design.

CoD and WoW say, "Hi".

They have the largest demographic spread in gaming, period.

If CCP got 1/10th of that pie they'd be in clover...but can't get there ignoring the obvious.

500k to 5mil is going to take more than graphics and even a new UI. The game has to appeal to 51% of the RL population.

That means some very uncomfortable decisions and changes. And if history proves itself again, those all boy clubs don't take change readily.

I think after today, it is very clear why few women play EVE.

Do women need EVE?

WoW wasn't always like that though. There were times when you'd complain about this sort of stuff, and see the guy going on in the same way the next day. About the only things that would cop a real punishment were overtly racist slurs. I expect that Blizzard has decided that cleaning up chat channels and removing the creeps will help with player retention, something that's been slipping for them over the past few years.

Even among women. Sure there will be women ace PvP pilots, but they know that is not the norm. Not because ladies can't do it, it's because they just don't want to fight like that. They're not into direct confrontation. And PvP is about that. It's something that appeals to men.

What EvE offers that can generally appeal to women, is little today. For example, I try to warm my sisters to try the game (and we all are sci-fi fans long before it was kewl). Mention the planets/nebulas/ships, crafting and the market being more intricate than WoW. *Spark*. But as soon as PvP is mentioned, they literally go back to do what they were doing in WoW. Not interested. Conversation dead.

They would only come over if EvE was PvE. Because if they do missioning and get podded, they'll simply leave and go back to WoW, which has all they like to do, plus has all those pets and mounts. It's a stereotype, but have a little cute pet as a reward, they're after it worse than James3:16 on a miner.

So the challenge is more than just gender appeal, it's trying to get women away from 1000001 cute pets and mounts in games like WoW to even pilot a ship. The latter is the hardest of all...as they'll continue to return back "home" for the latest pet and mount.

What would EvE offer to counter that -- which would fit into the EvE universe -- and not turn women away at the word: PvP?

Low number of women in this game is direct result of **** male players give them. CCP is unusually tolerant when it comes to harassment on chats, etc...

Yes i do understand blowing someone up just because you can, but i don't understand giving them hate just be cause their gender. That´s just racist.

I have personally witnessed such things in chat and it always makes me sad that CCP allows such things. Maybe things change once someone finally gets enough and sues CCP for allowing it.

Racist? Lolwut? Think that through again, and edit that, please.



Please read your Terms of Service. CCP is entirely indemnified from any reaction you may have to another player. HTFU some, and you will find that not only does some of it actually disappear, but that you mind it a lot less.

There are more women playing Eve and other games than people think. Just as a man doesn't have to mention he's a male playing a game why should women have to mention they're female? "teamspeak verified female" <---- really???? does it matter?

Are you trolling?
Not everything is about subscription numbers and big name recognition.
Sure it would be nice if EVE were more popular, but if you try to get there from here by sacrificing many of the core tenets of the game then you're going to lose what sets the EVE community apart from any other MMO, which are the many tens to hundreds of thousands of players who stay subscribed for many years because they love the game and know that its experience is unparalleled by any themepark MMO available today.