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Unfair mining tactics!

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Haulie Berry
#21 - 2013-06-04 17:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Verum Peto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:


But they do not spawn at all hours... they spawn at downtime. Once they are gone they are gone. If there were like the combat anoms... I would be much happier..


Since the patch has only been live for a matter of hours, you can only possibly be assuming they only spawn at downtime.

Seems pretty unlikely, to me.


Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime. These are the same thing just now pop up in our scanner.
Also if they mentioned directly ICE respawns every 4 hours... but they didnt include ore in the statement. Its safe to assume no?



Not really. Ice anoms are entirely different, in that they only spawn in certain systems, and were specifically designed to cap the maximum amount of ice available. You probably cannot assume anything about Ore anoms based on Ice anoms.

Also, I never paid much attention to Grav sigs, but unless they were different from other sigs, they most definitely spawned at times other than DT. There does generally seem to be a reseeding of sigs at downtime, but that was NOT the only time they spawned.

One of the best tactics for finding "good" sigs when using DSPs was to look at the IDs of the sigs in the system. All the ones that spawned at downtime would have approximately the same name, with increments of 1 (little-endian). If you dropped a DSP and saw, e.g ABC-123, BBC-389, CBC-928, you knew those sigs probably all spawned at downtime. If it's 16 hours after downtime, there's no way any of those are a DED site, and you move on.

If you see ABC-123, BBC-389, CBC-928, and QXJ-389, one of these things is not like the others, and definitely spawned more recently than DT.
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#22 - 2013-06-04 17:49:30 UTC
Verum Peto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:


But they do not spawn at all hours... they spawn at downtime. Once they are gone they are gone. If there were like the combat anoms... I would be much happier..


Since the patch has only been live for a matter of hours, you can only possibly be assuming they only spawn at downtime.

Seems pretty unlikely, to me.


Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime. These are the same thing just now pop up in our scanner.
Also if they mentioned directly ICE respawns every 4 hours... but they didnt include ore in the statement. Its safe to assume no?


There was a single ore anomaly in the system that I mine in when the server started up today. It got mined out pretty quick and 6 hours later there has not been another ore anomaly to replace it.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#23 - 2013-06-04 17:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Verum Peto wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Why do I never have problems finding belts full of ore? What am I doing wrong?

If I want Veld/Scordite sure... but for production sometimes i need a few other.... flavors...

Oh, you are one of THOSE people.


>_>
Yep! And I usually can. Its just frustrating to see CCP not give a damn about balancing the game in a way that its fair based on the time of day you play.

LOL,

ORE anomalies are not new, the only thing that changed is they are now anomalies not signatures. they have always been there, you just needed probes and good scanning skills to find them. the spawns, composition, and respawns have not changed in years.

If you think this is hard for you who never new these sites existed, how do you think the players feel that trained up the scanning skills and bought the faction equipment so they could find these sites before, now having to share them with every Tom, ****, and Harry with a mining laser.

Besides, most of these anomalies are not restricted to spawning after down time. These are, or at least used to be random anomalies, when they despawn in one place they respawn somewhere else. rarely in the same system. Unless you are in a sov null sec system with industrial upgrades where the hidden belts respawn in the same system right away. But still you do not wait until down time for them to respawn. As far as I know these spawn mechanics have not changed, the change was that this are now visible to everyone, not just those who put the effort into finding them.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#24 - 2013-06-04 17:53:43 UTC
QuakeGod wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:


But they do not spawn at all hours... they spawn at downtime. Once they are gone they are gone. If there were like the combat anoms... I would be much happier..


Since the patch has only been live for a matter of hours, you can only possibly be assuming they only spawn at downtime.

Seems pretty unlikely, to me.


Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime. These are the same thing just now pop up in our scanner.
Also if they mentioned directly ICE respawns every 4 hours... but they didnt include ore in the statement. Its safe to assume no?


There was a single ore anomaly in the system that I mine in when the server started up today. It got mined out pretty quick and 6 hours later there has not been another ore anomaly to replace it.

ORE anomalies in high sec are random, they very rarely respawn in the same system. But they do respawn somewhere shortly after despawning in your system.
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-04 17:54:20 UTC
That's not how it works. Ice anoms spawn every 4 hours (or is it 4 hours after one gets mined out). Gravs are just like all the other anoms. Once one gets despawned, another one spawns somewhere else in the constellation. Been like that for years now. Not 100% sure on the timing, where a new one spawns somewhere else immediately or whether it's also done on a timer, but that's how it works.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#26 - 2013-06-04 17:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:


But they do not spawn at all hours... they spawn at downtime. Once they are gone they are gone. If there were like the combat anoms... I would be much happier..


Since the patch has only been live for a matter of hours, you can only possibly be assuming they only spawn at downtime.

Seems pretty unlikely, to me.


Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime. These are the same thing just now pop up in our scanner.
Also if they mentioned directly ICE respawns every 4 hours... but they didnt include ore in the statement. Its safe to assume no?



Not really. Ice anoms are entirely different, in that they only spawn in certain systems, and were specifically designed to cap the maximum amount of ice available. You probably cannot assume anything about Ore anoms based on Ice anoms.

Also, I never paid much attention to Grav sigs, but unless they were different from other sigs, they most definitely spawned at times other than DT. There does generally seem to be a reseeding of sigs at downtime, but that was NOT the only time they spawned.

One of the best tactics for finding "good" sigs when using DSPs was to look at the IDs of the sigs in the system. All the ones that spawned at downtime would have approximately the same name, with increments of 1 (little-endian). If you dropped a DSP and saw, e.g ABC-123, BBC-389, CBC-928, you knew those sigs probably all spawned at downtime. If it's 16 hours after downtime, there's no way any of those are a DED site, and you move on.

If you see ABC-123, BBC-389, CBC-928, and QXJ-389, one of these things is not like the others, and definitely spawned more recently than DT.

No, but it is safe to assume that ore anomalies will respawn the same as high sec grav sites did up until yesterday. Considering they are the same sites, just moved from signatures to anomalies.
Haulie Berry
#27 - 2013-06-04 18:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:


But they do not spawn at all hours... they spawn at downtime. Once they are gone they are gone. If there were like the combat anoms... I would be much happier..


Since the patch has only been live for a matter of hours, you can only possibly be assuming they only spawn at downtime.

Seems pretty unlikely, to me.


Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime. These are the same thing just now pop up in our scanner.
Also if they mentioned directly ICE respawns every 4 hours... but they didnt include ore in the statement. Its safe to assume no?



Not really. Ice anoms are entirely different, in that they only spawn in certain systems, and were specifically designed to cap the maximum amount of ice available. You probably cannot assume anything about Ore anoms based on Ice anoms.

Also, I never paid much attention to Grav sigs, but unless they were different from other sigs, they most definitely spawned at times other than DT. There does generally seem to be a reseeding of sigs at downtime, but that was NOT the only time they spawned.

One of the best tactics for finding "good" sigs when using DSPs was to look at the IDs of the sigs in the system. All the ones that spawned at downtime would have approximately the same name, with increments of 1 (little-endian). If you dropped a DSP and saw, e.g ABC-123, BBC-389, CBC-928, you knew those sigs probably all spawned at downtime. If it's 16 hours after downtime, there's no way any of those are a DED site, and you move on.

If you see ABC-123, BBC-389, CBC-928, and QXJ-389, one of these things is not like the others, and definitely spawned more recently than DT.

No, but it is safe to assume that ore anomalies will respawn the same as high sec grav sites did up until yesterday. Considering they are the same sites, just moved from signatures to anomalies.


That's actually not a safe assumption at all, beyond a general, "No, they probably don't only spawn at downtime (which, frankly, would be silly anyway, and is obviously not the case)."
Verum Peto
Incursion Omega
#28 - 2013-06-04 18:08:27 UTC
My own thread is giving me a headache. SO... I mapped out this morning my entire constellation.... in 30mins... in a shuttle and bookmarked 8 ore anoms. if there are new ones when i get off tonight my beef will be invalid. I however doubt there will be... but we shall see...
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-04 18:24:07 UTC
Verum Peto wrote:
Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime.


No they didn't. Grav sites, like other exploration sites despawn when completed (mined out in the case of grav sites) and then respawn elsewhere. They're no more tied to downtime than radar, mag and combat sites are.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-06-04 18:35:16 UTC
Verum Peto wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:


But they do not spawn at all hours... they spawn at downtime. Once they are gone they are gone. If there were like the combat anoms... I would be much happier..


Since the patch has only been live for a matter of hours, you can only possibly be assuming they only spawn at downtime.

Seems pretty unlikely, to me.


Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime. These are the same thing just now pop up in our scanner.
Also if they mentioned directly ICE respawns every 4 hours... but they didnt include ore in the statement. Its safe to assume no?


so i'm a little unclear on the respawn mechanics; do the ice anoms respawn every 4 hours or do they respawn 4 hours after the site is cleared?
Haulie Berry
#31 - 2013-06-04 18:36:27 UTC
Iosue wrote:

so i'm a little unclear on the respawn mechanics; do the ice anoms respawn every 4 hours or do they respawn 4 hours after the site is cleared?


4 hours after they clear.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#32 - 2013-06-04 18:58:42 UTC
I can answer this in a way you might even like. Shocked

CCP is in Iceland.

This means down time is when they are getting daylight for normal business hours.

So all the belts pop up when the down time ends.

Then everyone online at that point races for them and gets them first.

This is unfair right? Nope.

You left out the part that down time happens while the other time zones sleep.

They don't get to play mid day and lose out on a lot of potential eve time.

From my perspective they get the short end of the stick.

Don't you feel a bit daft for crying about having the advantage now? Roll
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#33 - 2013-06-04 19:09:53 UTC
Verum Peto wrote:
Im going by previous grav sites... they spawned at downtime. These are the same thing just now pop up in our scanner.


Look, you're half right here, and so are all the people talking about sites respawning during the day. There's more to it than either simple option.

I play in the few hours before downtime every day. In fact, Australian peak play time is defined as terminating at downtime, because after downtime there's not much point logging in because it's bedtime. But regardless, in those few hours before downtime I have been able to find plenty of grav sites to mine. Some of them spawn in systems that I have already explored. So they do spawn during the day.

What might be confusing some people is that grav sites apparently reset after DT, meaning all of them are present. Then they get mined out and head into their usual respawn cycle, so they get scarcer and scarcer during the day.

Hope this clears things up for folks. Yes, the people who are exploring and mining after DT will have an easier time of it, and the people who play immediately before DT are going to have a harder time of it. But the sites still spawn during the day.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-04 19:19:55 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
What might be confusing some people is that grav sites apparently reset after DT, meaning all of them are present. Then they get mined out and head into their usual respawn cycle, so they get scarcer and scarcer during the day.


I've several times started mining a grav site before DT and carried on mining it after, same location, exactly the same ore state as before DT.

One thing that does happen is that if the grav site's been around for 3 days (I think it's 3), it will despawn at DT. Hence if miners cherry pick the grav sites, mine the better ore and leave the rest, the grav site stays around and despawns at DT 3 days after first warped to and hence respawns elsewhere after DT.
Ginger Barbarella
#35 - 2013-06-04 20:48:09 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Why do I never have problems finding belts full of ore? What am I doing wrong?


You're not *in* a mission or trade hub. You really need to stop that wasteful mining outside the busy areas of space. EVERYONE knows that the BEST mining is in mission and trade hubs. Sheesh, get with it, man!!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Verum Peto
Incursion Omega
#36 - 2013-06-04 20:57:25 UTC
Ok upon testing this.... like 2 of the 8 belts I scanned this morning are still present with NO NEW BELTS in the entre 2 constellations I have scouted out. That's also a large portion of my region. So yes.... THEY ONLY RESPAWN AT DOWNTIME. This is ******* bullshit.
Verum Peto
Incursion Omega
#37 - 2013-06-04 20:58:31 UTC
And the remaing two people like left... 2 rocks of omber in a large Jaspet/Omber site... so yeah... good to know everything will be gone by the time evening American players get online.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-06-04 21:41:09 UTC
I just finished a 22 jump round trip (11 jumps each way)
Way out, 2 grav sites.
Way back (couple hours later), 5 grav sites (incl the 2 that were there before). One system had an ice belt when I went through the first time, an ice and and an ore when I came back.
I'd have taken screenshots, but cbb.

They do not respawn at DT, grav sites never have, they respawn somewhere else when completed. This is different to the ice belts that respawn in the same system 4 hours after completed.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-04 21:44:47 UTC
Verum Peto wrote:
Ok upon testing this.... like 2 of the 8 belts I scanned this morning are still present with NO NEW BELTS in the entre 2 constellations I have scouted out. That's also a large portion of my region. So yes.... THEY ONLY RESPAWN AT DOWNTIME. This is ******* bullshit.


Nope, absolutely false. I have run into mining sites that appeared at some point during the day. I have seen them pop up at all hours of the day. In both K-space and wormhole space.

Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#40 - 2013-06-04 21:48:03 UTC
Who mines grav sites in high sec? Really... There's such a pitiful amount of ore in them and rarely any of the valuable types. Find some belts and go chew on those rocks, outsource the minerals you're not getting. It's really that simple. If you still wish to mine grav sites for some reason, branch out to more than two systems...

Otherwise... Deal with it.
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