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You mean 62K EHP with no weapon fitted right? -you can't fit 1600RT and fit a full rack of weapons+mwd web scram, at best you can fit some lower tiers weapon with the shortest dmg and range...

Super ubber rep bonus very usefull on top, what a nice ship it is indeed.

Yup



Huh? -you should know by now a nano pest 800mm can shoot nuclear warheads between 0 and - - -- - -- --> 100km
Faster Megathron camping all day the gate or waiting at the undock to shoot stuff pinned by rapiers and hurricanes?
Better dmg ship??? -you are kidding right?

lol....



Go ahead share your bright ideas and explain how the shortest weapon system with no means to catch his targets is so awesome.



You know what's the problem of fitting the shortest range weapon system? -no you don't.

I'll pick your example, both webbed at max web range and disrupted, let's say 14km, your diemost is taking full dmg at his face while the vaga is getting is paint scratched, ho my goodness, indeed your example is perfect how the weapon system is balanced.

Being faster than the vaga would only help it on APPLYING the web, not the supposed uber dmg.
Chances are in this case the fight is 50-50 depending on how fast the vaga started applying dmg and how fast the diemost pilot did to apply the web and is now at very slow motion geing in range to apply some dmg. Before he's in his optimal range chances are he's almost popped.

You're supposing both are going in straight line and the fact diemost would be slightly faster would do all the job, flash news it wouldn't.
Vaga would still be the most agile and have the best acceleration, before the diemost pilot could completely neutralise this advantage the vaga pilot is shooting at it with no tracking or dmg application issues for a long while.

For sure this guy dont want galente change.. ... Talking with him is like hitting head in wall ...

Realy i dont want gallente change. What i wrote ?

"Need change, i want flight with most gallentean ship not just with arazu,thanatos but brutix,eos,deimos etc too ,but fastest gallentean ships in game is a fail."

I want, but i dont want stupid idea like yours.

I was just on SISI trying to fit out a Diemost with the new hybrid changes. I have advanced weapon upgrades 4 and by putting 2 Ancilliary Current Routers in the rig slots I was able to fit:

4 Neutron and 1 Ion blaster in the highs
MWD, scram and web in the mids
DC, EANM, Explosive Hardener, 1600mm RT plate and 2 Mag Stabs in the lows

Considering this ship is supposed to be the ulitmate short range HAC. it costs more than the Megathron, and it's about to be completely outgunned by the new Talos, and it's still too slow to get into range, it needs some serious love.

The utility high should be converted to a turret point
It needs a CPU boost and a massive PG boost
It needs an extra midslot
It needs a speed boost allowing it to reach 2000m/s with the MWD on

As standard it should be able to fit:

6 Neutron blasters in the highs
MWD, scram, web, and cap injector in the mids
DC, EANM, Explosive Hardener, 1600mm RT plate and 2 Mag Stabs in the lows

This would leave the 2 rig slots free to add extra tank, gank or speed depending on the pilots preference. People will say this is overpowered, but the Diemos is supposed to be overpowering if it manages to get into range to use it's weapons, just read the description:

"Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. "

I agree with what you are saying but you really should train AWU 5. Best level 5 skill I ever trained.

This will be written with bullet points as there's several things to cover. And this is assuming you don't go down the path of making Minnie the optimal race (zero falloff) and gallente the falloff race, which is a good theory, as if minnie are fast enough to control range then make them ******* use it to constantly keep optimal or they lose all dps. And if gallente are slow as **** surely they need to be able to hit at a variety of ranges (with reduction in dps) more than ******* minnie. Anyway....

First:
Bring other turrets down a bit to be not stupid OP.

# Scorch ammo needs range cut by 33-50%. Abaddons with no optimal range boneruses shouldn't be able to have 45km optimal with scorch and 10km falloff.

# All crystals should take 10 seconds to switch/reload. **** roleplay reasons, this is game balance reasoning.

# The bonus to falloff given by tracking enhancers should be substantially reduced from the current (T2 is 30% bonus. I don't know a decent value but let's just say cut by 50%). The current level of falloff reached with autocannons is ******* ridiculous.

# Base tracking on autocannons should AT MOST be 50% of the equivalent blaster. They usually fight at long ranges, meaning that while they move faster their relative speed to the target is lower and so tracking isn't as necessary. Plus all those tracking enhancers which are practically mandatory on minnie ships will boost tracking a little anyway. Blasters should be the best tracking of all turrets. Too many minnie pilot can keep range and pick off frigs with awesome tracking and then race up beside a target and brawl the **** out of it due to having good enough tracking to get right up beside them.

# INCREASE fitting requirements of projectiles to more closely match those of hybrids and lasers. An option people often ask for is to make it easier to fit the top tier of hybrids but, using blasters as an example, this completely makes elctrons and ions useless if neutrons can always be fit AND have prop mod AND have massive tank. There is good reason for the current trade off, and projectile weapons currently don't require this trade.

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Hybrid/gallente buff

# Increase base top speed of gallente ships to be the highest of all. They should, with prop module, be able to scream in a straight line towards something and catch it. Keep agility as it is now. With good piloting they can still be avoided by minnie ships. Like in a bull fight, you don't run in a straight line away from the ******* bull, you run perpendicular to it as it can't turn as fast.

# Reduce the speed reduction incurred by using trimarks and armour plates.

# Reduce the capacitor requirement of firing hybrids. Reduce reload time to 5 seconds (to facilitate using Null on approach then when/if you snag someone a change to a close range ammo doesn't **** you over).

# For small blasters, increase base optimal range. It's slightly nuts to have an optimal of 500m roughly when you're piloting an interceptor which will refuse to orbit any closer than 1000m+ unless you practically stop the damn ship.

# Tracking boost to all blasters. Ballpark figure of 20%

# 5-10% dps boost, probably erring towards 5% due to the freak of nature known as the Vindicator.

Had doubts about this hybrid rebalance, after testing I'm sure.

What you guys are just doing is not worthy the time spent, just rename it "projectiles buff" or "Gallente: RIP".

Either you guys are ganking the forums and trolling us in SISI to come out with totally different changes on TQ, or all these threads posts and feedback is written in some language you can't clearly understand.

Has it stands right now, you should call the next expansion "Eve Online: In rust we trust"

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Its very good Idea but remember that CCP "logic" is different :). And also those guys have theirs biz in game (I mean DEV`s who play game as we playing) !
But for yours idea thumbs UP !

Tornado's aren't supposed to hit cruisers right?-specially cruisers with 190 sign radius and 1200m/s right?

False, not only the Tornado can hit said cruiser with no tracking issues but can do it at over 70km....

Downgrade the guns and 100AB tornado is something possible.

EDIT: You guys are just doing the next Cynabal with better speed and bigger dmg -has it stands cane/drakes fleets will be decimated by those. Great game breaking tool.

Essentially there aren't enough parameters (or design 'space') for the numbers of weapon types in EVE. When we think of what the parameters are in any given fight it basically boils down to:

- Range
- Tracking (or accuracy)
- Damage

if you were to start EVE afresh you would have turrets that excelled in damage, but had limited range, turrets with great range but limited damage and so on and so forth until you had used up all the pros and cons of using a given weapon system.

With 6 turret types + missiles EVEs 'spectrum' of weapon capabilities has been exhausted (and thats before we even consider drones).

Whats needed is a bigger spectrum. This might be achieved by having certain ammunition types apply 'de-buffs' to a target (in addition to vanilla HP damage) - "EW Lite" as it were. Or you relook at where the holes are in a ships defences (lasers are good vs shield tanks, projectiles are good vs armour, etc etc).

C.