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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-11-05 23:49:34 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Terrible change.

CCPs dogma "No space is safe" is only true aslong as nobody is complaining about it on the forums.


High sec isn't completely safe.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2011-11-05 23:51:00 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
High sec isn't completely safe.
It pretty much was before this, and this change — if intentional — inches it even closer, which is the wrong way to go.
Highsec needs to be made more unsafe, not less.
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-11-05 23:51:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Selinate wrote:
If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case.
It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor.


Even a ship fit and flown properly isn't invincible.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2011-11-05 23:51:59 UTC
Excellent, now New Eden makes a little bit more logical sense.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2011-11-05 23:53:38 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
Even a ship fit and flown properly isn't invincible.
Against ganks, it most certainly is.
DarkAegix wrote:
Excellent, now New Eden makes a little bit more logical sense.
So you're in favour of removing CONCORD, presumably?
Alara IonStorm
#46 - 2011-11-05 23:54:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
No, that's basically the only sensible and non-magical part of CONCORD.

I am gonna go a head and doubt that letting every Killer have free reign in the space they killed is the most sensible thing about them.

Sensible would be coordinating off the wreck setting the perp to -5 and sending him on his way out the door. I am sure Suicide Ganking would go down quite a bit. Which is exactly what the Police would want.

But that would be a lot less fun then smoking some dudes Barge in a Rax.
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-11-05 23:54:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Igualmentedos wrote:
High sec isn't completely safe.
It pretty much was before this, and this change — if intentional — inches it even closer, which is the wrong way to go.
Highsec needs to be made more unsafe, not less.


In this current situation it was the right choice to make.

If I want to kill a specific person in high security space I just have to catch him in space and kill him. This hasn't changed. CCP has only balanced the risk and reward.

I would high five CCP if players get the ability to gank other players in incarna. Twisted That would rock.
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-11-05 23:56:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Igualmentedos wrote:
Even a ship fit and flown properly isn't invincible.
Against ganks, it most certainly is.
DarkAegix wrote:
Excellent, now New Eden makes a little bit more logical sense.
So you're in favour of removing CONCORD, presumably?


in·vin·ci·ble
adj.
Incapable of being overcome or defeated; unconquerable.

Say whaaaaaaat?
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-11-05 23:58:26 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
Cpt Fina wrote:
Terrible change.

CCPs dogma "No space is safe" is only true aslong as nobody is complaining about it on the forums.


High sec isn't completely safe.



Point is that CCP is willingly bending over and taking it in the rear when they constantly give in to the preassure from the playerbase and changes what is seen as truisms of the game.

What are principles good for if you abandom them when things get rough?

Eve online is a special, unique MMORPG to the enxtent that we the playerbase allows it to be... and that's bullshit.
What's next – instanced missions or PvP arenas. PvP flags maybe?
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2011-11-05 23:59:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Excellent, now New Eden makes a little bit more logical sense.
So you're in favour of removing CONCORD, presumably?

And you must be in tears, presumably?
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
#51 - 2011-11-06 00:00:15 UTC
People dont need insurance to gank. It's just a crutch.

Don't let your game be determined by a crutch.


SH
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2011-11-06 00:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I am gonna go a head and doubt that letting every Killer have free reign in the space they killed is the most sensible thing about them.
“Sensible” in the sense of “makes sense” — the same kind of making sense that fuels the argument to remove insurance for CONCORD kills.

Igualmentedos wrote:
In this current situation it was the right choice to make.

If I want to kill a specific person in high security space I just have to catch him in space and kill him. This hasn't changed. CCP has only balanced the risk and reward.
Not really, no. They've reduced the risk for people who already had next to none, and have not affected the risk of the other party. Above all, they've made highsec a bit safer, which is the wrong choice to make in the current situation, considering how ridiculously safe it already is (and how much safer they've already made it with their ill-conceived policy change).

Selinate wrote:
you're not the first to come to this conclusion.
He certainly shows how easy it is to be wrong, yes. Well, that, or how easy it is to misunderstand something as simple as a five-letter word.

DarkAegix wrote:
And you must be in tears, presumably?
No. Why would I be?
I'm just exasperated by CCP's decision to make highsec safer when the exact opposite needs to happen.
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2011-11-06 00:00:52 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Excellent, now New Eden makes a little bit more logical sense.
So you're in favour of removing CONCORD, presumably?

And you must be in tears, presumably?

Delicious Tippia tears.
Dondoran
Why So Sage
Dracarys.
#54 - 2011-11-06 00:02:29 UTC
This is truly a great idea gankers not getting nearly free ships to grief the innocent with , imagine that. Anything that hurts that kind of game play is only going to have positive effects on the rest of eve.
What looked like the biggest buff to suicide ganking now has balance, excellent job CCP.
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-11-06 00:03:10 UTC
Max Von Sydow wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Excellent, now New Eden makes a little bit more logical sense.
So you're in favour of removing CONCORD, presumably?

And you must be in tears, presumably?

Delicious Tippia tears.


BEST tears! Big smile

-Can we call them Tt's from now on?
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2011-11-06 00:04:01 UTC
Good change, makes sense. Would allow tier 3 BCs to be cheaper as well.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#57 - 2011-11-06 00:06:15 UTC
Eve is too hard and needs to protect its little high sec babbies with stupid mechanics. stupid mechanics to protect stupid crybabies. Eve should not be pandering to these whiners. It is meant to be a cold harsh universe FFS. Having said that, it wont stop people suicide ganking if they really want to, it will just make people look for higher value targets and encourage bears to get complacent.

This alone wouldn't really be that bad but combined with basically allowing anyone in high sec to completely easily avoid war decs and also reducing the 'ease' of scams it is just sending eve into a wrong direction of cotton wool and rainbows. Bullshit.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2011-11-06 00:07:06 UTC
Max Von Sydow wrote:
Delicious Tippia tears.
What? Nothingness has a taste all of a sudden? Ugh
Igualmentedos wrote:
BEST tears! Big smile
You really shouldn't define something that doesn't exist as “best” — it will only set you up for thorough disappointment.
Dondoran wrote:
This is truly a great idea gankers not getting nearly free ships to grief the innocent with
Yeah… a couple of problems here: gankers are not griefers, the ships were not nearly free, and ther targets were not innocent.
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Anything that hurts that kind of game play is only going to have positive effects on the rest of eve.
Quite the opposite — it will only hurt the economy and make it better for botting.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2011-11-06 00:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
Finally, suicide gankers need to choose their targets with at least the tiniest degree of caution.

Hah hah! So many suicide-ganker tears in here!

Awesome, EVE is realistic now!

High-sec is meant to be safe! I'm glad CCP changed this.

High-sec is dangerous, and finally suicide-gankers are no longer spoon-fed ISK.

Now CCP just need to make CONCORD pre-empt suicide ganks, and destroy the ganker before they can even get a single shot off.

Miners 1 - Gankers 0

So many ganker tears! I'm sorry that your :elitepvp: is now a dead end! LOL!

Oh no, all the killmail whoring suicide gankers are crying. Somebody call the whaaaambulance.

There sure are a whole lot of 'hardcore pirates' behaving like little children in here.

Finally, the IWIN button of EVE is gone.

/inflammatory comments
Aida Nu
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-11-06 00:11:48 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Finally, suicide gankers need to choose their targets with at least the tiniest degree of caution.

Hah hah! So many suicide-ganker tears in here!

Awesome, EVE is realistic now!

High-sec is meant to be safe! I'm glad CCP changed this.

High-sec is dangerous, and finally suicide-gankers are no longer spoon-fed ISK.

Now CCP just need to make CONCORD pre-empt suicide ganks, and destroy the ganker before they can even get a single shot off.

Miners 1 - Gankers 0

So many ganker tears! I'm sorry that your :elitepvp: is now a dead end! LOL!

Oh no, all the killmail whoring suicide gankers are crying. Somebody call the whaaaambulance.

There sure are a whole lot of 'hardcore pirates' behaving like little children in here.

Finally, the IWIN button of EVE is gone.

/inflammatory comments


WTF is wrong with you? What?