Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are full of bullshit and you know it. Unless you have a cynojamer and good intel you must to be a noob to ratt in 0.0 with neutrals in a system. And cloaky campers know this very well and exploit it with their little ckoaky ship that makes them invulnerable all the time in an environment that shouldn't offer such a protection to players especially in enemy space.


So what kind of bullshit player are you, the one who lives in high sec with no risk at all but wants to make more profit than 0.0 miners or the one who lives in 0.0 and mine in a cyno jammed system with 100KM bubles on all gates and again the only thing he wants is to make profit from others wars. It seems too me that you are not in the PVP business and you don't care about game mechanics either, you just want to have an exploit kept in game because it gives you an advantage.


While all players full of bullish like you keep relating this problem to the cloaking mechanism I will keep saying that not the cloaking mechanism is the problem. The problem is not that you can camp a system in a cloaky ship, but the fact that you can do this with full invulnerability while you are not at your PC.

Tragic.


So, to address your previous points, you ARE hiding while complaining that the AFK cloaking player is hiding. And this in a system where you have either a POS, outpost, or both.

And your perspective is messing with your head too...
It is not your space, you may have sov, and that simply lets you anchor objects such as a POS or outpost, and upgrade it.
You clearly enjoy using these advantages already. It stops being your space the moment you are unable or simply unwilling to stop others from entering it.
For the cloaky to be present, the idea that it is your space is clearly unresolved.

Who am I? I am but a poor miner, trying to sell my ore and ice for the most ISK possible.
It turns out I get much better pricing if fewer are selling what I do.
And guess what? Having them explode because they got in a bad place, or won't PvE because of fear... that is me competing against them successfully.

EVE is about competition. Enjoy!

This right here is what stops me going apoplectic when reading these whine posts. What these posters don't seem to realise is that they sound weak and pathetic as well as stupid. They're whining that they can't do pve in nullsec because someone is stopping them from doing it. There are both pve and pvp solutions to being "afk cloaky camped". They've had all the solutions presented to them time after time but no, they're not going to listen to any of that because they seem to like to project the impression that they're incredibly stupid.

But I do so love the tears of frustration. Mostly because if they opened themselves up to the many and varies solutions to their problems the frustration would vanish like mist on a sunny morning but then as well as being pathetic and stupid most of them are stubborn as hell, to boot. The fact that I'm a dullard and have "solved" that "problem" many times over just makes their pathetic whining taste all the sweeter.

(edited as missed h from the word both so it completely changed the meaning of the sentence)

Dude grow up.

Just because somebody plays a space villian in a video game does not make them a low life in RL. It is a game. Yeah, it is a game that can be harsh and unforgiving at times, but you knew this when you signed up. Or you should have. It is right there in the Knowledge Base:

http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336



AFK cloaking is a type of non-consesual conflict and is perfectly within the games boundaries. To complain about it like this is just really bad form.

And there are other things I can do in game that don't require a sacrifice of real life time any more than AFK cloaking does:

1. Hauling in a freighter in empire.
2. Mining ice (pre-Odyssey anyways)
3. Sitting in station.
4. Sitting in a pos.
5. Even issuing a war dec will often paralyze an empire PvE corp without the war targets even undocking, or they could undock and AFK cloaked up now couldn't they.
6. Trading, I could put up sales orders and profit form them while not even logged in, let alone being logged in and AFK.

And yes, it is about mechanics...but mechanics have to be balanced. If you go back and read through this thread, you'll see that those opposed to simply removing AFK cloaking, by and large are concerned about game balance and that means it is a discussion of game mechanics. Problem is you want it all one sided--favoring your side (PvE). And keep in mind, that almost all of us on the game balance side also PvE (carebear). We have to do something to earn isk to keep buying PvP ships.

AFK = "devotes much of his time" to you?


SERIOUSLY THIS IS THE BEST YOU GOT? Something non high sec related u got?

Quite correct. Nikk has suggested in a couple of threads the following (both linked back up stream):

1. When a cloaked ship activates its cloak it disappears from local, and the pilot of the cloaked ship also can't see local (I can't recall the specifics, but I want to say the chat functionality may still work, you just can't see anyone in local if they don't start chatting...but I could be wrong). Very simple.
2. Given the change in 1, a method to detect and hunt cloaked ships. Now a cloaked ship with a pilot not-AFK would be rather tough to catch since he could keep warping around and keep from being decloaked. But an AFK cloaked pilot would be extremely vulnerable.

These two changes would do the following:

1. Remove the need to AFK cloak, in fact disappearing from local would make it nearly pointless in terms of denying the residents the ability to exploit the camped system.
2. Cloaked ship hunting mechanic would make AFK cloaking very risky (this should make you happy Theodore).
3. Cloak hunting gives you a method to determine if a cloaked ship is present in system (you can still have your intel, but you have to work for it).
4. You can still use a cloaked scout a few systems out from your ratting system to keep a look out for hostiles. Since a cloaked ship has to decloak to jump into a new system you'll see him in local. If you are paying close attention you'll see him appear briefly 2x indicating a cloaked ship was in system. If you sit on grid with the gate he'll have to go through to get to you, you may even see him.

Now, that looks pretty good to me. It could be unbalanced, but it is at least an attempt to address the AFK cloaking problem and the problem of Local's flawless reporting of pilots.

So if you could just stop being so damn set on looking at this issue only from your own perspective and how to change it to benefit just you....you could maybe contribute something other than posts complaining about what scum bags cloaking pilots are.

So what exactly does an AFK cloaked pilot gain? Perhaps you could tell us morons what is so obvious to you.

Edit: Oh, and thanks for helping to keep this page on the front page. Most appreciated.

Grief play.... ahh?

Indeed!

The poor player who is going to the trouble, and the superior effort, of traveling distances to reach their destination.
Presumably, they also have hostile obstacles to overcome.

All so they can arrive, and begin a fight in a PvP game. Where they are promptly avoided.

Sure, they are being given rude treatment, but I would not go so far as to call the risk averse griefers...
They are simply unwilling to play, perhaps, out of concerns the experience will disappoint their guests.

Of course it's true. They are AFK, pray tell exactly what are they doing whilst AFK? You do know what AFK means don't you? Also what do they gain? What extra items or ISK do they have from going AFK? Yea that's right, nothing.

The reason dear sir that they go AFK, is called psychological warfare. But for it to work, it relies upon individuals deciding they cannot play the game. The reason these players don't play, is due to the fact that they see a red/neutral in local chat.

But that's not the main reason for AFKing. The main reason is the all seeing eye called local, which tells those in the system you are there. So as soon as you arrive, they dock/pos up. Pilots AFK in a hope to subvert the instant intel local gives, to balance out the power it holds. But again for this to work, relies upon those in the system to not take precautions and accept being in null means combat is likely.

No BS here chap, just facts.

Accusations of grief play should be ignored, as it isn't grief play at all. CCP and GMs have addressed this countless times. I'm sorry friend Theodore, but just because someone did something you don't like does not mean you are a victim of griefing.

I am saddened by the fact that you have now used all the wild, desperate arguments: Claiming exploits, griefing, imbalance, unfairness, etc.