Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are correct I do know. The one stopping you, is you.
Whilst AFK and cloaked they cannot stop you docking, undocking, activating modules, using gates, etc etc.

Wrong dear chap, the input required for both come from the same source. There is no hacking of the client involved, it's basic computing and one you seem to need lessons in.

I didn't say anything about the reason local existed, I said local is the reason AFK cloaking exists.
But you are correct and chat was it's purpose, intel actually wasn't.

You may not be able to fight with them, but without local you wouldn't be aware of them whilst they were AFK and cloaked. But like I said, local intel is a guarantee, where as the psychological effects from AFKing are not. Balance remains in your favour.

Whether they are AFK or not, is irrelevant. They pay for their account, log in and stay logged in for as long as they wish.

It always comes back to local and the intel it's providing.
If you have difficulty reading the intel coming from local, then you have options.

1. Close it and ignore it.
2. Understand that if you use it, then other may attempt to use it against you.
3. Stop misreading the intel it's providing.

You want me to play stupid and not get safe? Maybe when i see a neutral in my local i changed to a PVP boat, but then i'm not attacked anymore, prob because i'm not an easy kill anymore or because they are afk.. i can't stay 24/7 in front of my PC in a PVP ship just because he can leave a cloaky alt afk there every day and only check 2 times per day for some easy kills.


So you want to be completely invisible all the time and just pop up wherever you want whenever you want without anybody could get any intel about you and all this in your opinion is more balanced than me having local or a way to know about your existence until you decloak next to me.


Wrong. If being AFK in some form or another can have an impact in the game then is completely relevant. Everybody pays for their game, but u see i can't actually do stuff in space that has an impact to my wallet while AFK. It's somehow against EULA.

Infinite?

Dude, if you want to be taken seriously, know what that word means, and don't use it incorrectly...like you did here.

Try reposting and get rid of that word and I might consider reading the rest of what you wrote.

Right there. That is the crux of the issue. In these threads there are essentially 3 sides:

1. The PvE side: These people see cloaking as a bad thing™. As such cloaking needs to be nerfed.
2. The PvP side: These people see cloaking as a good thing™. As such cloaking is fine.
3. The game balance side: These people see why AFK cloaking occurs, local providing excellent intel especially when added to intel channels. These people see nerfing cloaking as an unbalancing buff to local's intel capabilities.

Both groups in 1 and 2 have a stunted view, but 2 happens to get the answer right by accident. Group 1, often rages at group 2 and confuses group 3 for group 2.

The fundamental issue is game balance. If you think cloaking needs a nerf, then you can't just leave local as it currently is.

As for the EULA/TOS complaints. Just stop those right now. You are agreeing to play a sandbox game. That means people always have the option of playing the game in such a way that it prevents you from playing how you want to play. That is what you signed up for. If you don't like that, then quit. Don't come here and whine like a wuss about it.

This DDoS attack could be used as a good example why AFK Cloaking sucks. One guy can shut down an entire server for one day with only one click and nothing more then being AFK the whole day and you can't do nothing about it. Exactly the same way feels with AFK Cloaking. One guy with one click can shut down an entire day of possible game play then he goes AFK and YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

How it feels to not being able to play EVE for one day because of a moron? In 0.0 are cloaky alts camping AFK a system 24/7 for weeks. So multiply this feeling by that.

AFK Cloaking is real.

Hiding from it in fear is an option.

Excellent point.

It would seem the problem is not the hardware, or the potential for it's use.

It is expecting a player to adapt to a risk inherent play style they are not used to.

It seems that one group of players is being entirely mislead about how dangerous null sec is, at least by comparison to the often referenced high sec.
(Claims that players will flee null for the reasonable safety of L4's in high, should the risks in null increase)
(How anyone can read such a claim, and not recognize the back handed observation that Null and High PvE are similar in risk, shows willful ignorance of the obvious)

If you are not offline, docked or sitting behind a POS shield, how are they stopping you from making ISK?

You suggest that you are "in space without a cloak", which common knowledge defines as the proper conditions for ISK making. Otherwise, you would be considered hiding.

Target a rat, shoot same. Repeat until rat explodes, get bounty and loot wreck.
Optionally, use mining lasers in a belt.

Here I thought you implied income was not being made, perhaps you are suggesting that rats stop exploding and mining lasers fail if cloaked ships are present in the system?

Cloakies are easier to deal with, just park a tornado near your bearing ship.

You can still play, you have just don't let yourself. Get a gang up in that system to rat, with 3-4 people doing an anomalies you can probably get away with a more PvP oriented fit. If he is part of a BLOPs gang go look for them, the range is short for BLOPs. If he is truly AFK then move over 1 system. Yeah, yeah I know "but we upgraded this system!!!!1!1!!!!" Cry me a river. Ratting in an un-upgraded system will generate more isk than sitting in station wont it?

So you comparison is just stupid and whiney.