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It probably has something to do with everyone talking about how they "can get 80% of the cans by themselves now" and also to do with how loot now maps to specific can types. I have to say that they definitely start disappearing a bit too quickly now; I barely have time to see what all the cans are before I have to start dealing with them disappearing.

Ran a Ruined Sansha Monument Site in my tengu (120/40 coherence/strength). Hacked all cans successfully, although one required two attempts. The spew cans do seem to be moving a bit more quickly than they were previously; coupled with their faster rate of expiry, that meant that I was only able to get 40-50% of the cans emitted after successful hacking attempts. However, the mapping of loot to specific can types seems to be working - I cargo scanned the hacking containers before accessing them and only missed out on one valuable drop (a stack of 4 Intact Armor Plates). My total haul for the site was 94m worth of salvage and a 3-run True Sansha Large Pulse Laser battery blueprint, worth 60m if you dump the built batteries onto buy orders or 180m if you go by sell order prices. That gives a total loot value of 150-270m for the site, plus around 80m of Intact Armor Plates that I missed. Seems like a pretty good return for 15 minutes of clicking around.

I then ran a Ruined Sansha Monument Site - hacked everything without issue but was surprised that I wasn't getting any loot. Only realised on the last can that my cargo was full and that was preventing me from scooping anything. It might be helpful to make the 'cargo full' notification more prominent or to have some kind of sound to alert people when they fail to loot a spew can because their cargo is full, especially given the volume of some of the components you get from the data sites.

edit: it's still a little tricky to pick the spew cans you want immediately after you first hack a container because they're all right on top of one-another when they're first ejected. Cherry-picking becomes more viable after a few seconds once the spew cans have separated a bit, but it would be nice if they were more clearly distinguished from the get-go.

edit 2: in crude ISK/hour terms, that monument site was worth between 600m isk/hr on the low end and 1.4b isk/hr on the high end. You really, really should not be able to get that kind of ISK in a cloaky, nullified, triple-stabbed ship with the align time of a frigate. If you are determined to keep the virus strength bonus on the Emergent Locus Analyzer subsystems, it would probably be sensible to put a corresponding -10 strength malus on the Interdiction Nullifier sub in order to maintain some semblance of risk:reward balance.

You completely devote a ship to one role and then complain that it works well. I don't understand that logic.


In that same light, a nullified T3 should have a penalty to there tank. With the ability to avoid bubbles it is redundant.


All of these counter T3 arguments seem to be applying to Sov space, I have not heard one WH dweller complain about the virus strength bonus on the T3 ships.

Do you feel a assault frigate should be able to compete with that Machariel on the same or at a better level?

I'm not disagreeing. I'm saying that CCP is trying to actively (and maybe it feels like "aggressively") promote people to explore in groups and when people say "I can get 80% of the loot by myself" that maybe seems like it will defeat what they're trying to accomplish.

Yup there is a small problem with the bug report site which is currently getting worked on.
I'll let the relevant team know about this issue.

Thanks,
CCP RedDawn

I have only ever been able to grab 66% of the cans, as such it spews out 12 cans and I get 8 on average, before I could get 8 and I can still get 8 now but it is much harder and I usually end up grabbing random cans in the end.

Regarding the new can speed: F*** you CCP. Just when I thought you listened, you had to go and backhand us.

Someone's not getting my money come september.

CCP needs to get real. This mechanic is crap and nothing's gonna change that. People only started to find it bearable and be a bit more positive about it when they got most of the goodies they were looking for. But of course that defeated the whole purpose of the mechanic. So now we're back where most people get fed up with it again.

I said it before, it's a bad design on a fundamental level and the symptoms show. It's all about the psychology. You can't induce positive feelings with something that will always make a player feel like he's is losing out on stuff.

A few people like being slapped in the face. And slapping someone in the face with less force is indeed a more positive thing.

But the bottom line is that you're slapping us in the face. I understand that's a tired metaphor but it illustrates what you're trying to tell us. I appreciate that you're both listening and responding to the feedback on this issue, which is the only dark spot in what looks like a great expansion.

No matter how much you try to force it, both myself and many others will continue to explore solo. It's one of the few things in the game you can do by yourself, and it's very satisfying in its present state. I'm not completely against incorporating more cooperative features into it, but there has to be a better way than "hey man, tag along and MASH BUTTAN every few minutes." Please find some compromise that doesn't discourage our favored playstyle.