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AFK Cloaking Collection Thread

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#301 - 2013-05-31 13:41:49 UTC
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#302 - 2013-05-31 18:33:29 UTC
Needs another bump to keep it on the front page....

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#303 - 2013-05-31 23:26:03 UTC
The thing that really gets me about AFK cloaking ships is that they can disrupt the play of other people for 23 hours of a day while AFK but CCP has a cow if someone tries to make isk in the same manner or macro travel so they can warp to zero all over the empires while AFK.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#304 - 2013-06-01 00:01:46 UTC
Mathias Orsen wrote:
The thing that really gets me about AFK cloaking ships is that they can disrupt the play of other people for 23 hours of a day while AFK but CCP has a cow if someone tries to make isk in the same manner or macro travel so they can warp to zero all over the empires while AFK.

They aren't disrupting you. There is NO MECHANIC that they are employing while afk that forces you to dock. You are taking it upon yourself to be a victim.

You also managed to hit the nail on the head, a cloaker while AFK is gaining no in-game benefit from his activity.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#305 - 2013-06-01 00:22:55 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Mathias Orsen wrote:
The thing that really gets me about AFK cloaking ships is that they can disrupt the play of other people for 23 hours of a day while AFK but CCP has a cow if someone tries to make isk in the same manner or macro travel so they can warp to zero all over the empires while AFK.

They aren't disrupting you. There is NO MECHANIC that they are employing while afk that forces you to dock. You are taking it upon yourself to be a victim.

You also managed to hit the nail on the head, a cloaker while AFK is gaining no in-game benefit from his activity.

The self centered nature some of these posts have, not specific to this one alone, indicates they see themselves as the center of the universe.

The Total Perspective Vortex might help them.

They see only from their perspective, in that anything hurting them by definition must have value to any who oppose them.
They are just that important, in their opinion.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#306 - 2013-06-01 00:23:39 UTC
This thread dispenses bacon if you hit reply and enter the secret code

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Rayzilla Zaraki
Yin Jian Enterprises
#307 - 2013-06-01 01:36:58 UTC
One thread missing.

Curious. Could it be "The One"?

Cool

Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#308 - 2013-06-01 06:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Thought I got your thread Ray....

Edit: Yep, here it is. Sorry I couldn't put it on the front page...ran out of room. What?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#309 - 2013-06-01 11:13:43 UTC
Too much bullshit in all this threads. There is nothing wrong with the cloaking mechanism and how it works. The only problem One of the problems in EVE is the possibility of doing something while being AFK (PVP related, not INDI ofc).

So if I can not mine AFK, ratting AFK or pretty much making ISK while AFK, you should not be able to prevent me from making ISK while you are AFK. Simple solution, if you haven't give any commands to your EVE Client in 20 min you should be logged off. Problem fixed. You will still be able to sit in a cloaki ship in a system all day long if you want too, but it will require your ass to be in front of your PC while doing that. That will be FAIR.

And more bullshit about "Local Intel". Hey if you are such a 1337 pvper and I should not have Local to protect me from your dangerous ass maybe you should not be able to use a cloaking device either to protect you all the time from.. anything and anybody.

I'm sorry if I used the "ass" word too much, it must be from the new death transition effect.

Yo, New Eden, got capsuleers in da house. What's up? And their pimped rides. Yo, capsuleer, if ya want me to unpimp your ride, lemme hear ya say Wat?
Rayzilla Zaraki
Yin Jian Enterprises
#310 - 2013-06-01 11:41:57 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Thought I got your thread Ray....

Edit: Yep, here it is. Sorry I couldn't put it on the front page...ran out of room. What?


Heh - thought it was a conspiracy to hide the one REALLY GOOD thread! Big smile

Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#311 - 2013-06-01 12:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
Too much bullshit in all this threads. There is nothing wrong with the cloaking mechanism and how it works. The only problem One of the problems in EVE is the possibility of doing something while being AFK (PVP related, not INDI ofc).

So if I can not mine AFK, ratting AFK or pretty much making ISK while AFK, you should not be able to prevent me from making ISK while you are AFK. Simple solution, if you haven't give any commands to your EVE Client in 20 min you should be logged off. Problem fixed. You will still be able to sit in a cloaki ship in a system all day long if you want too, but it will require your ass to be in front of your PC while doing that. That will be FAIR.

And more bullshit about "Local Intel". Hey if you are such a 1337 pvper and I should not have Local to protect me from your dangerous ass maybe you should not be able to use a cloaking device either to protect you all the time from.. anything and anybody.

I'm sorry if I used the "ass" word too much, it must be from the new death transition effect.
How does someone AFK and cloaked, prevent you from making ISK?

Log off timers will never work. A simple program to stop my screen saver from starting, will have the side effect of stopping the log off.

I personally don't want local removed. But it goes hand in hand with AFK cloaking. It's the reason it exists. But as you use it, then so others have found ways to use it against you.
But the balance still remains in your favour. Because the intel from local is a guaranteed 23.5/7, where as the psychological effects from AFKing are not.

Oh and bump.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#312 - 2013-06-01 13:08:11 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
Too much bullshit in all this threads. There is nothing wrong with the cloaking mechanism and how it works. The only problem One of the problems in EVE is the possibility of doing something while being AFK (PVP related, not INDI ofc).

So if I can not mine AFK, ratting AFK or pretty much making ISK while AFK, you should not be able to prevent me from making ISK while you are AFK. Simple solution, if you haven't give any commands to your EVE Client in 20 min you should be logged off. Problem fixed. You will still be able to sit in a cloaki ship in a system all day long if you want too, but it will require your ass to be in front of your PC while doing that. That will be FAIR.

And more bullshit about "Local Intel". Hey if you are such a 1337 pvper and I should not have Local to protect me from your dangerous ass maybe you should not be able to use a cloaking device either to protect you all the time from.. anything and anybody.

I'm sorry if I used the "ass" word too much, it must be from the new death transition effect.
How does someone AFK and cloaked, prevent you from making ISK?

Log off timers will never work. A simple program to stop my screen saver from starting, will have the side effect of stopping the log off.

I personally don't want local removed. But it goes hand in hand with AFK cloaking. It's the reason it exists. But as you use it, then so others have found ways to use it against you.
But the balance still remains in your favour. Because the intel from local is a guaranteed 23.5/7, where as the psychological effects from AFKing are not.

Oh and bump.



As discussed in other threads, it is about the projection of force.

I have no mercy for those that stay docked out of fear that the one cloaked ship will come and attack them. That is a quantifiable threat within contained tolerances that can be planned for.

The problem with cloaking, afk or otherwise, is that it can be combined with a cyno for infinite threat projection with infinite safety. Because of the cyno, any afk ship that you find cloaked in space can with very little notice become a capital fleet. Any such ship must be considered sufficient force to wipe out any fleet you can field, unless you too have an entire alliances combat wing on call at a moments notice.

As you would then be effectively committing suicide, the risk inherent in undocking with an unknown, impossible to hunt hostile in system means that your only 'counter' is to stay docked.

My solution to the 'problem' of cloaking is simply to make a given ship incapable of fitting both a cyno and a cloak at the same time, risk management becomes quantifiable, and people with a little hair on their nethers can plan accordingly for what they think might be out there.
PavlikX
Scan Stakan
HOLD MY PROBS
#313 - 2013-06-01 13:18:03 UTC
Here is one missed point.
Those AFK cloacked pilots brings a profit to the CCP. 15 USD per month for each acc.
This aspect must be noted before posting of another idea
Meantime entitre situation must be solved
Probably if local (list of chars in the system) can be achived via simple quick scaning of system, no matter who claims this null system/ AFK coackers will not harm - yhey are invisible, meantime demands a few simple actions (from that moment they are not afk)
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#314 - 2013-06-01 13:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodore Giumbix
Mag's wrote:
How does someone AFK and cloaked, prevent you from making ISK?
You know very well how.

Mag's wrote:
Log off timers will never work. A simple program to stop my screen saver from starting, will have the side effect of stopping the log off.Oh and bump.
Windows screensaver and sending commands to eve server from your eve client are 2 different things. Hacking eve client it's against EULA.

Mag's wrote:
I personally don't want local removed. But it goes hand in hand with AFK cloaking. It's the reason it exists. But as you use it, then so others have found ways to use it against you. Oh and bump.
Nope, the reason Local exists is for chatting, because EVE is a MMORPG and people need a way to communicate to each others. See EVE Fanfest 2013: Game Design - Balancing Tears & Laughter

Mag's wrote:
But the balance still remains in your favour. Because the intel from local is a guaranteed 23.5/7, where as the psychological effects from AFKing are not.
Nope. The intel from my onboard scanner is 100% guaranteed because i know that there is a ship that physically exists in space, it's close to me and i can fight it if i want or not. The intel in local is just a simple name that exists only in local chat not physically in space. I can not fight with names in local chat.

Again, the problem is not the cloaky camping but the afk camping. You should not be able to camp someone while afk. And you know very well you wouldn't be able to stay 24/7 in front of your computer if you would want to permanently camp someone and that's what bothers you.

Yo, New Eden, got capsuleers in da house. What's up? And their pimped rides. Yo, capsuleer, if ya want me to unpimp your ride, lemme hear ya say Wat?
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#315 - 2013-06-01 13:25:28 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
I have no mercy for those that stay docked out of fear that the one cloaked ship will come and attack them.
It should NOT be at your mercy what a player does in a game for which he pays to play with his own real money.

Yo, New Eden, got capsuleers in da house. What's up? And their pimped rides. Yo, capsuleer, if ya want me to unpimp your ride, lemme hear ya say Wat?
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#316 - 2013-06-01 14:34:24 UTC
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
Mike Voidstar wrote:
I have no mercy for those that stay docked out of fear that the one cloaked ship will come and attack them.
It should NOT be at your mercy what a player does in a game for which he pays to play with his own real money.

Then shoot him. If he stays cloaked so that you cant shoot him he is no threat because he can't do anything to you while cloaked. And when he decloaks he is at a disadvantage because cloaking vessels are inferior to non-cloaking ships in direct combat.
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#317 - 2013-06-01 14:38:54 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Then shoot him. If he stays cloaked so that you cant shoot him he is no threat because he can't do anything to you while cloaked. And when he decloaks he is at a disadvantage because cloaking vessels are inferior to non-cloaking ships in direct combat.
I always fit guns with faction ammo on my noctis but for some weird reason i never win What?

Yo, New Eden, got capsuleers in da house. What's up? And their pimped rides. Yo, capsuleer, if ya want me to unpimp your ride, lemme hear ya say Wat?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2013-06-01 14:44:30 UTC
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Then shoot him. If he stays cloaked so that you cant shoot him he is no threat because he can't do anything to you while cloaked. And when he decloaks he is at a disadvantage because cloaking vessels are inferior to non-cloaking ships in direct combat.
I always fit guns with faction ammo on my noctis but for some weird reason i never win What?

Did you dev hack you noctis? Last time I checked it had no turret or launcher hardpoints and needs friends in combat ships to guard it.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#319 - 2013-06-01 14:55:16 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
As discussed in other threads, it is about the projection of force.

I have no mercy for those that stay docked out of fear that the one cloaked ship will come and attack them. That is a quantifiable threat within contained tolerances that can be planned for.

The problem with cloaking, afk or otherwise, is that it can be combined with a cyno for infinite threat projection with infinite safety. Because of the cyno, any afk ship that you find cloaked in space can with very little notice become a capital fleet. Any such ship must be considered sufficient force to wipe out any fleet you can field, unless you too have an entire alliances combat wing on call at a moments notice.

As you would then be effectively committing suicide, the risk inherent in undocking with an unknown, impossible to hunt hostile in system means that your only 'counter' is to stay docked.

My solution to the 'problem' of cloaking is simply to make a given ship incapable of fitting both a cyno and a cloak at the same time, risk management becomes quantifiable, and people with a little hair on their nethers can plan accordingly for what they think might be out there.

Ridiculous.

You also have equal threat projection, and all you ask is that it be one sided so only you can project this cyno based threat.

And in case it was missed:
Hot Dropping: Bridging is intended to bypass reinforced blockades and travel time. Here, it has been fine tuned to avoid advertising the presence of a fleet to the free intel tool as well by delaying the easily recognizable population spike till the last possible moment. The intention is to deny the warning local provides, although it still reports the presence of the cyno boat enough to be associated with AFK Cloaking instead.
Quite simply, while PvE pilots would never resume regular activities with a hostile fleet present, they are sometimes willing to gamble over whether a cloaked vessel represents that level of threat at a given time.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#320 - 2013-06-01 15:09:30 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Quite simply, while PvE pilots would never resume regular activities with a hostile fleet present, they are sometimes willing to gamble over whether a cloaked vessel represents that level of threat at a given time.

I have no problem with that hostile vessel being present in my system and being cloaky, I just want the pilot of that vessel to be at his PC while that vessel is cloaky in space, not at work, not sleeping, or at a walk in park.. etc. I can't make ISK while afk and i can't wait the f*&^%$ hole day in my shine counter-hotdrop cyno ship for his hotdrop either.

AFK is the problem not the fact that you can fly a cloaky ship with a cyno in space.

Yo, New Eden, got capsuleers in da house. What's up? And their pimped rides. Yo, capsuleer, if ya want me to unpimp your ride, lemme hear ya say Wat?