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Carrier training
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Ezekiel Avarice
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-29 22:10:33 UTC
I have been playing for over a year now and I have a toon where I want it for subcap ships. But I have been sitting around talking to a friend about what to train. I was thinking a T3 cruiser such as Drones for a short term goal but I want to move into a WH at some point in time and I was thinking of a cap ship. The Aeon looks like it has a good tank but the Nyx looks to be better with DPS. I know I am a good 6 months from even training BS V for one of them but I was wanting some feed back on witch one to stock up on.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2013-05-29 22:15:35 UTC
The Aeon and Nyx are motherships and will not fit into a wormhole. Capitals are a huge training investment, and honestly you'll be far better off training up a T3.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-29 22:22:26 UTC
If you're looking to go into a wormhole with a capital-sized ship, the moros is the gold standard dreadnought for the job,

Art of Explosions
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#4 - 2013-05-29 22:40:48 UTC
After the June 4th Patch BS V will no longer be a requirement for capital ships.You generally can't go wrong training for a moros (Gallente), but I suspect the changes to the Nag (Minmatar) may see a change, selectable damage on a soon to be decent dread is going to be pretty interesting.
Ginger Barbarella
#5 - 2013-05-29 23:09:36 UTC
Anyone care to take bets on how many carriers suddenly start popping up in low sec on June 4th? P

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2013-05-29 23:12:48 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Anyone care to take bets on how many carriers suddenly start popping up in low sec on June 4th? P


Not very many considering nobody lives there. Blink

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Idicious Lightbane
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-30 11:24:50 UTC
Ezekiel Avarice wrote:
I have been playing for over a year now and I have a toon where I want it for subcap ships. But I have been sitting around talking to a friend about what to train. I was thinking a T3 cruiser such as Drones for a short term goal but I want to move into a WH at some point in time and I was thinking of a cap ship. The Aeon looks like it has a good tank but the Nyx looks to be better with DPS. I know I am a good 6 months from even training BS V for one of them but I was wanting some feed back on witch one to stock up on.


The ones you want to be looking at are the Archon and Thanatos, Aeon and Nyx are supercarriers which can't go into wormholes. On top of that your character would be stuck in it as they can't dock.
mama guru
Yazatas.
#8 - 2013-05-30 12:42:20 UTC
Carriers are atleast a year worth of training to make them work decently starting from scratch, that is if you plan to rat and haul in it and not pvp in it.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-30 12:58:46 UTC
Another vote for T3, if you must have a cap train up a logi alt, you are talking 5 months of drone skill, 6 months of nav, and another for or so months of support........just to undock.

Shield T3 andarmour T3 cabn do it all.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#10 - 2013-05-30 13:18:31 UTC
Completely max out a T3 then see how you feel about a carrier, one thing to keep in mind in Eve is bigger isn't necessarily better.

Oderint Dum Metuant
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-05-30 15:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Anyone care to take bets on how many carriers suddenly start popping up dying like lemmings in low sec on June 4th? P


I fixed your post to make it more accurate.

Personally, I think removing the BS 5 requirement for training into a capital ship was one of the worst changes CCP could have made in regards to new, up and coming capital pilot. Now, when you see someone in a carrier or a dread. you know they made a conscious choice to spend upwards of 30 days training a single skill just to get there. That being able to sit in that ship meant something.

After Odyssey rolls they may as well hand out carriers as part of the tutorial. Now all you kids get the hell off my lawn!

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-30 16:25:21 UTC
I doubt that many nub carrier pilots are going to pop-up off the bat, just the nav and done skills will slow down many.
Pipernelli Spacemitt
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-30 16:33:27 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
That being able to sit in that ship meant something.


Sitting in a carrier or dread hasn't meant something in a long, long time.
Ginger Barbarella
#14 - 2013-05-30 16:38:42 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Anyone care to take bets on how many carriers suddenly start popping up in low sec on June 4th? P


Not very many considering nobody lives there. Blink

-Liang


I suspect you'll see a lot of first-time carrier owners trying their hand at ratting... :) I'm also betting that it'll be their last carrier purchase! P

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-30 17:23:18 UTC
Pipernelli Spacemitt wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
That being able to sit in that ship meant something.


Sitting in a carrier or dread hasn't meant something in a long, long time.


It means no bumbing rides all over, worth the two billion for that alone.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-30 17:25:42 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Anyone care to take bets on how many carriers suddenly start popping up in low sec on June 4th? P


Not very many considering nobody lives there. Blink

-Liang


I suspect you'll see a lot of first-time carrier owners trying their hand at ratting... :) I'm also betting that it'll be their last carrier purchase! P


Why in God's name would you Carrier rat in low? You need a battlecruiser at best for that.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#17 - 2013-05-30 19:09:56 UTC
Ezekiel Avarice wrote:
I have been playing for over a year now and I have a toon where I want it for subcap ships.

You set the bar too low. Far too low!

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But I have been sitting around talking to a friend about what to train. I was thinking a T3 cruiser such as Drones for a short term goal but I want to move into a WH at some point in time and I was thinking of a cap ship. The Aeon looks like it has a good tank but the Nyx looks to be better with DPS. I know I am a good 6 months from even training BS V for one of them but I was wanting some feed back on witch one to stock up on.


Amarr caps are ok. So are Gallente. Normally armor tanked caps are preferred. The reason being that armor logi is perfered over shield logi on cap ships.

In every other ship in EVE shield tanked is prefered.


Grandma Squirel
#18 - 2013-05-30 19:32:23 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Anyone care to take bets on how many carriers suddenly start popping up dying like lemmings in low sec on June 4th? P


I fixed your post to make it more accurate.

Personally, I think removing the BS 5 requirement for training into a capital ship was one of the worst changes CCP could have made in regards to new, up and coming capital pilot. Now, when you see someone in a carrier or a dread. you know they made a conscious choice to spend upwards of 30 days training a single skill just to get there. That being able to sit in that ship meant something.

After Odyssey rolls they may as well hand out carriers as part of the tutorial. Now all you kids get the hell off my lawn!


Actually, the change will result in few new players just jumping into a carrier. All it does is allow the easier cross training of multiple caps.

Skills you didn't need to train before:
Jump Drive Operation V (Rank 5) - 24 Days
JFC4 - 5 Days
JC3 - 1 Day
Capital Ships 3->4 - 8 Days

Compared to Racial BS 5, which you might train for subcaps, or just to be a better battleship pilot, 32 days. The train is actually slightly longer if anything. The real difference is that with the newly required jump skills, you may actually be able to use the carrier sooner. Sitting a carrier under the current skill reqs, and not having any jump skills was possible, and terribly sad.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-05-30 19:42:10 UTC
Onictus wrote:

Why in God's name would you Carrier rat in low? You need a battlecruiser at best for that.


Level 5 missions ;P

And OP the best carrier is the archon by several orders of magnitude.
Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2013-05-30 20:35:57 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Why in God's name would you Carrier rat in low? You need a battlecruiser at best for that.



You must be new here. Hi, I'm Ginger!!

Here in Eve, we NEVER do whatever is "just right" when it comes to killing ships. We ALWAYS roll into OVERKILL. Why use a BC when a) biggers shipz r bettr, and b) d-bags in rifters usually won't bother with a carrier whilst they exercise their short-p*nis complex and attach a BC or smaller!!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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