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Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#21 - 2013-05-29 15:42:54 UTC
No one cares Halete. Get out already. You won't be missed.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-05-29 17:50:51 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
No one cares Halete. Get out already. You won't be missed.


Do not fret my pet, this doesn't change anything between us.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#23 - 2013-05-29 18:35:51 UTC
I remain confused as to why it seems people with leanings towards the Amarr religion seem to be finding themselves in Caldari corporations as of late. Not that I have any particular problem with the Amarr, but their spirituality is one most Caldari decidedly do not share. If you wished to make penance towards their god, one would think you would pledge service to PIE or one of the other Amarr loyalist fighting orders.

On the other hand, I find it hard to disagree with the opinion that the Minmatar are so focused on revenge that they can see nothing else, even as this desire threatens to destroy what little they have built. No doubt the Federation will be happy to have their largest vassal growing ever more dependent on their generosity.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-30 12:33:45 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
I remain confused as to why it seems people with leanings towards the Amarr religion seem to be finding themselves in Caldari corporations as of late.


PYRE's suite caters most to my particular skillset. They offer to me the most opportunities to refine my abilities and their ROE aligns with my own as a combat pilot, with a focus in operations against the Republic and the Federation. Their camaraderie is appreciated and their attitudes commendable.

It is true that the most strength comes from the faithful who surround themselves with one another, but following the same vein it is also taught that weathering many hardships brings us closer to the Lord, and so I hope that this handicap will grow my abilities in the long-term.

Thus, whilst I return to the Lord, and certain is it that I would enjoy the company of an Amarr corporation, I feel that my service with PYRE will accelerate the progress of myself as a fighter and thus better enable me to exact His will.

Our Director, Veikitamo Gesakaarin, promotes a philosophy of self-improvement and service to the whole that I admire greatly. And really, the reasons Capsuleers have for working with one corporation or another are rather numerous. If you take an even cursory glance at the membership audits of any large alliance you will find Capsuleers of all religious, ethnic and ideological and backgrounds.

Does this sate your curiosity?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Anslo
Scope Works
#25 - 2013-05-30 12:42:57 UTC
Good luck to you, Halete.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-05-30 14:01:23 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
I remain confused as to why it seems people with leanings towards the Amarr religion seem to be finding themselves in Caldari corporations as of late. Not that I have any particular problem with the Amarr, but their spirituality is one most Caldari decidedly do not share. If you wished to make penance towards their god, one would think you would pledge service to PIE or one of the other Amarr loyalist fighting orders.


Pyre Falcon as an organization is in many respects modeled after the traditions of a Raata mercenary unit and as such I make few demands or expectations as regards individual backgrounds of race, ethnicity, religion, creed, or past associations. All that matters is a willingness to walk the path of an unsheathed blade where the ties that bind are defined solely in the acts of the shared spilling of blood and in so doing do we forge the bonds of comrades, of brothers, of sisters. The respect and tolerance I extend Agent Halete in the pursuit of her own personal faith is not granted out of privilege but because she has earned it with blood. I may not share her faith but I still consider her a comrade-in-arms and but one example of how those who share a similar martial spirit can move past their differences in pursuit of common goals.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#27 - 2013-05-30 20:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
I remain confused as to why it seems people with leanings towards the Amarr religion seem to be finding themselves in Caldari corporations as of late.


I remain confused as to why people think my religion should dictate the nationality of my employer. They have nothing to do with one another.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#28 - 2013-05-31 03:34:07 UTC
There is something in particular that confuses me about you, Halete.

You have often, and repeatedly, expressed a desire for us, as a people, to return to the way we were in the time of the Minmatar Empire, when we knew peace and had no interest in nor need for war. This is something many of us would love to see, though the current climate in the cluster makes it a near impossibility, even if every single Matari in existence completely desired and tried to embrace this.


What confuses me, though, is you desire for us to return to a time before we ever encountered the Amarr, yet are also desiring to enforce Amarrian faith upon our people, which is exactly what ended the peace of the Minmatar Empire, and turned our people onto this path of war and conflict.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-05-31 05:06:20 UTC
Then you are very easily confused.

I do want that peace to return, but I have only ever asked that we return to that age of peace, not that we return to the faith of that age.

The Republic has proven incompetent in all manners where upholding peace is concerned.

If the Minmatar were to live a uniform, god-fearing life of servitude below the Lord, I somehow doubt that they would continue to perpetuate such reckless barbarism.

That seeing the true path has turned you to war is not surprising. You are not the first and shall not be the last deceiver to take up arms against His people. Such folly. This conflict could have been avoided if you had simply accepted your place. How many more billions of lives will you cast away to spit your defiance?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#30 - 2013-05-31 11:00:51 UTC
...I confess I'm no paticular expert on the Amarrian faith - Quite the opposite, in fact - But isn't there some sort of warning against "knocking twice"?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#31 - 2013-05-31 11:21:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
...I confess I'm no paticular expert on the Amarrian faith - Quite the opposite, in fact - But isn't there some sort of warning against "knocking twice"?

There is.

And every one of Faithful knocks more than once.

It is not an easy path God sets before us. If we should find heaven at the end, it is because God lets an imperfect being into His perfect kingdom. Not because we were so utterly free of sin that we were owed a spot by his side.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#32 - 2013-05-31 11:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
...I confess I'm no paticular expert on the Amarrian faith - Quite the opposite, in fact - But isn't there some sort of warning against "knocking twice"?

There is.

And every one of Faithful knocks more than once.

It is not an easy path God sets before us. If we should find heaven at the end, it is because God lets an imperfect being into His perfect kingdom. Not because we were so utterly free of sin that we were owed a spot by his side.


Pardon, but isn't it really more of an... Absolute command, rather then something everyone is expected to break, but be offered forgiveness for? Let me search the Galnet and find it...

Quote:
"Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 5:14


The phrase "greatest penalty", "one time only" and the use of the word "woe" sort of suggest forgiveness is out of the question for such an act; It is simply an unrepentable folly which condemns one indefinately, a sin to be avoided at all costs.

I don't mean to play myself off as some sort of insight on the topic, nor question anyones faith, mind - Excuse me if I come across as such. I am merely a little confused and stating what appears apparant.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-05-31 12:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
You're misinterpreting the quote, Gwen.

Maybe you've forgotten about the Reclaimings, or the Ardishapurite missionaries, or the constant thankfulness of the converted for being offered such a valuable opportunity of salvation, or how the Scripture specifically mentions the Lord turning to men whom find the embers of faith rekindling inside of them? All of these affecting those who never did walk the path but convert, such as myself.

The passage warns against the faithful who believe that their faith is proven against failing the challenges that they will be held to; such a failure would be grievous and heavily punished. In the Empire, this is characterized by such a failure resulting in one's name being stricken from the Book of Records.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#34 - 2013-05-31 12:40:45 UTC
Ahh - Excuse me, then. No, I understood that well enough; However, I was under the impression based on a conversation (I believe in the Summit?) some time ago that you had followed the Amarrian faith in the past and then forsook it after being liberated from slavery. My quandry arose from such an understanding.

But if you've never followed the it at all, I was obviously somehow mistaken. Pardon.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-05-31 12:45:04 UTC
Gyal,

No idea why you posted this on galnet, maybe you looking for approval or guidance, I dont know.

You talk about "knowing our place." I know my place, it's with my people, your people, do you know your place?

Faith. Faith is a personal ting. I practice mine everywhere I go. So can you.

Govt. Govt is always a necessary evil nothing more. Unless you plan to run for office, I suggest keepin ya nose out of govt and lookin after ya own affairs.

As a father with a daughter, it breaks my heart to see our young people run away for some cockamamie ideology. I travelled the length and breadt of dis universe, aint seen nuttin but tinpot warlords, crooks and scammers, seducin people with sweet dreams about power, freedom, wealth, or some secret knowledge. De only secret is that everyting you need to know is in front of ya face. Reality may not be pretty or glamorous, but it is best to have both eyes open.

Maybe some people will not want to see you again, but your family and clan always will.

Fly safe and don't be a hero.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-05-31 12:45:46 UTC
You may be referring to Ayallah, girl. No, I never followed the faith whilst I was enslaved. I was a stubborn, brat child. I dismissed a good deal of the education I was given out of hand, even academics, due to my prejudice.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Anslo
Scope Works
#37 - 2013-05-31 13:18:11 UTC
Halete wrote:
You may be referring to Ayallah, girl. No, I never followed the faith whilst I was enslaved. I was a stubborn, brat child. I dismissed a good deal of the education I was given out of hand, even academics, due to my prejudice.


I can confirm she's really stubborn (man I'm gonna regret that later HAHAHA).

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#38 - 2013-05-31 16:49:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
...I confess I'm no paticular expert on the Amarrian faith - Quite the opposite, in fact - But isn't there some sort of warning against "knocking twice"?


There is.

But God, in his great mercy, has granted those of us who left His light a second chance to return. Every race other than the Amarr have already cast aside their first chance when they turned from God. The Reclaiming is a second chance, graciously offered out of God's love for us. We are punished for our transgressions, but it does not mean we are forever denied His love if we seek it.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#39 - 2013-05-31 16:54:19 UTC
There's nothing like the zeal of the newly converted traitor, is there? Roll

Ah well, don't despair all of you who've tried talking sense to Halete. Considering how often she changes allegiances she'll be on to the next thing shortly.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Anslo
Scope Works
#40 - 2013-05-31 16:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Anabella Rella wrote:
There's nothing like the zeal of the newly converted traitor, is there? Roll

Ah well, don't despair all of you who've tried talking sense to Halete. Considering how often she changes allegiances she'll be on to the next thing shortly.


There's nothing like the self-righteous bullshit of the mouthy angst ridden Minmatar, is there? Roll

Ah well, don't despair all of you who've tried having a civil conversation with Anabella. Considering how often she jump at the chance to jump down anyone's throat, she'll be on to the next thread frothing at the mouth shortly.

See what I did there?

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