Issues, Workarounds & Localization

They just need to put the "Log off" button back, and not the "log off safely" button. This would solve that issue.

I think the most important thing here and now is to enable those who are still locked out because of the "new" "launcher" to log in.
After that, it would be to remove the new launcher in a manner that returns to the former launchers simplicity.
And of course, a promise that the bin/ExeFile.exe won't be removed, since it's an important tool to log in even if launchers and webservers act up again.

I'm still waiting for CCP Atropos to address the actual design of the launcher, instead of the current headline bugs.
It really would serve CCP well to show a little respect to those who pay for their game.

I actually had so high hopes for this, since something as "dangerous" as ship/module rebalance and skill changes is actually being handled with care and enough respect, and some clear signs that Ytterbium, Fozzie and Rise listens to feedback, ALSO in their core design and intentions, not justTHEIR TYPING MISTAKES.
CCP Atropos, you said earlier that when you actively respond to this thread, it's showing respect and responsibility.
Can you please tell me how, when you incorporate the content of your posts?!?

The ONLY reason I can think of for this is that they wanna sell ads in that launcher later on and that can't be done if not every user are forced to use the launcher. Noone is gonna pay to show ads if not every user will see them.
I can imagine they wanna put facebook and twitter-tabs and connections in it as well to pull click-money and ad-income as well from the very usage of the launcher.

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Personally I have only one question left:

WHEN I cancel my automatic subscription renewal, for how long does my accounts and stuff stay on the servers?

I'm planning a 6-12 month long "boycott/vacation" from eve in protest to the latest GUI-atrocities, but I don't intend to leave the game entirely, I wanna be able to log in again in 2014 and purchase new subscriptions to give eve The Final Chance.
6-12 months is also more than enough time for CCP to re-evaluate (or confirm) their current strategy so IF the game is gonna get fixed at all, it will happen within that timframe.


So again, exacly how long does the account-information stay on the servers?



The FAQ says "several months" but that can be anything from 3 to 11 months so it doesn't really say anything there..
http://www.eveonline.com/faq/account-management/

fking forum deleted my post when I hit preview, so this is going to be shorter version
posting with my alt as main expired these days and didnt bothered with renewal yet (gues why :) ) Shame you cant post with inactive acc.

Your stuff Hazan Lightbringer should remain for several years. Personally my main was inactive for 2-3 years and i found my stuff.

When finally updating launcher on my desktop today I noticed few things
1. once update finished and launcher started, login, than whole area bellow "join xyz other players" was missing, ie no Play button. launcher restart fixed that
2. once logged with expired acc why does launcher allow me to start game and doesnt throw some message or notification in that overdesigned piece of software? You claim new launcher to be ubercool but such important information is not displayed. Same goes for only xy days are remaining on your acc. Would make most sense to have it there.
3. is it bug or design that i can launch only one instance of launcher?

Based on point 2. and that message I get from game client during login "The authentication token provided by the launcher is of an invalid format." makes me wonder how relevant are their threats to remove exefile workaround.
It looks that new launcher is dependant on it and is just sending some string to game client which is doing actual verification & login. So it is not important what launcher says but what game client says.
So removing this would seem like lots of additional work compared to if they keep it like it is.
So obvious question WHY? But I rather win lotto than heard answer on it...

CCP have utterly and completely ****** the logging process for everyone, but especially for us players that multibox.

The process of login multiple accounts using one computer is utterly and completely ******, it takes too much time (5 accounts, 3 minutes before, now almost 10!), logging is completely lagged (The process bar for the logging takes too much time, hell even the one for the acquiring the character takes too long), and is utterly complicated, with the process requiring more than 4 clicks in order to log in a single account (Before all you needed to do was click the launch button 5 times, the first client will pop up, I'd logged in the first account, with that hit "Alt-Tab", next client will popped up, logged that account and keep doing that till finished; now... launch launcher, select account, input password, logged account-click "Play", wait for the lagged process bars to finish the log in process and click again for the character to log it in, go back out (Remember "Alt-Tab") click "switch user account" and start the process again......totally time consuming and inefficient).

Not to mention that this past month I've suffered well over 8 sockets closed, on all of my accounts at the same time, which is a darn pain to log all of them back in; but even more, since you released this "Simple" login process on the 21st you are not even able to use the "restart" button on the socket close window, so fix it or remove it; it is freakin annoying to have it in there and not being able to use it.

However, that's not a solution, the best solution to this stupid problem is for you guys, to go to the previous way of logging in, which was a lot simpler and definitely a lot less complicated and time consuming. So do that!

Finally, 50K skill points as compensation for this problem is nothing more than a joke, so take them back and turn it back to the way it was before!

Note: The process bar I am referring is the one that appear after you hit "Play" and the client opens up, I know that it’s always been a bit slow, but now is worse, hell even the acquiring characters process bar takes to long!

This seems like the most likely reason for the design of the launcher. It initiates a browser session? Why? Because it's the easiest way to get the ads into the launcher. Launcher opens internal browser to advertising client's website and the ads appear in the launcher just like a banner ad in any other website. This makes it very easy for the advertiser to change their ad locally and have it appear on everyone's launcher in the updated form. This also explains why the launcher was released complete with the reported bugs. CCP needed a working demo of their new ad platform so marketing can start wooing ad clients. The fact that the launcher doesn't work right in a game sense is secondary to showing advertisers that it works to spam ads to Eve subscribers.
HAHAHAHA Love this. I'm not taking my tinfoil hat off until the launcher works correctly. Until it launches the game with the ease and speed of the old launcher, and doesn't leave zombie processes behind, and doesn't need to be repaired and cache-cleared, I'm sticking with my theory that it's an Ad Tool not a Game Launching Tool.
Oh, and I am going on record right here and now saying that if ANY Non-CCP products are ever advertised in my launcher, I am emailing the advertiser and telling them that I am boycotting their products because they are encouraging a game company to stop developing their games in favor of developing new marketing tools. If enough Eve subscribers do the same, perhaps CCP will return to developing games.

Well of all the magic wonders CCP has introduced to EVE, this gotta be by far the crappiest one.

This Launcher thing still does not work and i am getting bored to **** writing about it to see if there finaly is a fix.

Since Monday the 21st ive been trying to get this piece of Scrap-ware working day by day, and all i get is the same stupid window full of commercials but without the ability to login more than once every 35 attempts

So, until you as mighty CCP have decided to post something useful about this piece of Scra-ware, i will no longer post feedback, stop helping you to fix the damn bugs, and if it continues or block my ability to login becoz u removed the old launcher, i will stop paying to.

I have not been able to log in but twice since the new launcher was put in place. I have deleted and reinstalled eve, got rid of my cache and still no joy. It locks within 5- 10 seconds of starting. I have also used the eve icon in the launcher folder in my computer. How can I bypass this freaking launcher, which tried to do too much and is much slower than the old launcher The post above this one was placed while I was typing . How do u get around that crap

Something very odd is happening in this thread.

Celri says the post above his was put up while he was typing and yet there is over an hour difference between the timings.

I wasn't suggesting that you did see it - far from it.

The indicated time of your post shows that you made it at least 30 mins before it appeared on my screen - I was refreshing at intervals of between 5 and 10 mins at the time and made my post within a couple of minutes of reading yours.

As I said - something odd going on.