Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The ammouint of absurd whining in this thread and gallente thread are simply pathetic. Blasters are the most powerful weapon in very clsoe range and Pulse lasers are still insanely powerful on a more tactical level ( a fight with enough numbers , like 5-10) where instantly reaching for full faction damage at 15 km or full T2 damage at 40 km is INSANELY powerful!!!


Only someone really insane would think Lasers are weak! 3 years ago people were begging for lasers to be nerfed! Lasers are still very powerful, just that the METAGAME CHANGED, so that the type of engagement where amarr are superior is less common.


That does not mean it cannot be done if you want to force fights on that way to use your weapons more effective.y. But seems everyone wants to use minmatar tactics with their ships simply not caring to think a little bit!



Yes I hate that the armageddon is being raped into an obtusely awkward ship. But that pulses are weak is a falacy.


Would have been WAY better if ccp had kept normal armageddon SAME EXACT SHIP as before and made the imperial issue a Khanid drone boat.

The APOc is not BAD now, but also did not need the changes. Could have received just some hull adjustments like massive powergrid to be a clear tachyon platform while keeping the Cap bonus.

PvP should not dictate how ship design is influenced completely either.

While EvE is pretty much PvP everywhere, the ships should be designed with balance in mind, not completely directed towards one field or the other.

Wrong. You just talked about it : you need dps. Alpha is not dps. Arties have huge alpha, but crappy dps. Beams and pulse, compared to LR weapons, already have more tracking (a lot more) and more dps than arties (a lot more, but less than they have tracking).

Also, you have different lens to modulate your cap use, to the cost of dps : you can, in fact, already balance dps vs cap use on your laser turret. On top of that, laser turrets have the ability to change lens in one second.

That's pretty much the definition of an insanely good ship : the ship is so giid you can use only half its bonuses and a weapon it's not designed to use and still be better than other ships using this weapon system.

Now that is completely senseless. Numbers don't lie, and unless you are shooting a POS/station or supercap, you don't need hours of cap. Not to mention that your cap actually regenerate itself.

A sane quote to conclude :

let me explain you.. with words even you an understand.


I field a half billion PVP battleship. against another one. IF the battleshisp are not balanced and I am 10% too weak because of that. I will loose half biul isk in 5 minutes.


If a PVE ship is 10% less efficient than other.. for runnign level 4 missions, then I will loose 5-6 million per HOUR!!


HUGE difference on the effects of balance between PVP and PVE. PVe is enough to have a ship that is reasonably capable of running the missions, extra 5-10% of speed is ice in the cake,. For PVP 10% is the difefrence between the ship being ccompletely broken or completely overpowered.

Lol WHAT? Prophecy is the most powerful T1 combat BC by far, for anyone that knows how to use it and have reasonable skills at least!


After the resistances nerf it might not be anymore, but as on TQ, they are INSANELY powerful on PVP.

This is not the problem with the apoc, to be cap stable or not.
I agree with you, we don't have to be cap stable. But the thing is this is not possible to fly a 30 seconds cap boat, right ?
Where is the point of cap which we can say something can be flight ? There is no perfect answer to that, depends on what you are doing.

About the Apoc, let's talk in term of mods equivalence : -10% cap use of lasers gun per level is something between 0.5 and 2.5 cap rechargers (depends on Amarr Battleship level, I know that the bonus only concern gun usage, so let's say Battleship at 5 is like little more than 2 cap rechargers). Not enough Powergrid for batterie or booster.
The new Apoc bonus give, depending on the level, something between 0.5 and 1.5 Tracking Computer (depending on the level of Amarr Battleship). Oh wait, this is only tracking...

That's why it is kind of a nerf for the Apoc. Take the Apoc of today, let at least 1 tracking computer mandatory with tracking script, and remove 1 mid slot, that give the Apoc of tomorrow : less cap, less versatility.

Here some guys say : "just use the armageddon" -> yeah but no thank you, everybody don't want play droneboat and skill the drones and/or missiles (and if we want to, better go Gallente and Caldari for better results).
So stay the Abaddon... really skill intensive and so hard to fit... so hard that you cannot even compare with other races BS effectiveness.


The problem is the Powergrid issue. Ok let's all use cap boosters instead, seems logical after all. Other races consumes ammo within the cargo, Amarr consumes no ammo or less cargo (with t2 or navy). This way, maybe we could even save some rigs for energy weapons improve (so we will not say anymore that Amarr laserboat sucks).

But Amarr just can't use a full rack of lasers + armor repairer + capo boosters (not even mention the AB/MWD), the fit are too tight, even with the -10% powergrid of beam lasers on Odyssey, beam stay harder to fit than pulse.

In my mind, the true balance is to rework the powergrid required by lasers and/or the powergrid of Amarr ship.

Drake says hi!

Why is there a belief that amarr ships are sub-par for PvE?

Abaddons, with their resist bonus are very nicely suited for a lot of PvE applications.

They are used in incursion armor fleets.
They are used in higher grade WH anom gangs.
They are used in standard L4 missioning.

If the laser cap usage is THAT much of a problem for your PvE needs, use t2 discharge rigs. They are inexpensive and help a lot with cap issues.

The only real problem I see with Amarr PvE is being pigeon holed into EM/Therm. Although this is not a big problem for WH/Incursions, for missioning it is quite a problem. Shooting at t2 angel rats must be quite frustrating.

Drake says the myrm scares him.

That is the problem.. saying Hi is the most dangerous thing a drake can do.

My usual prophecy fit deals 700 dps, has 91K EHP ( before implants and fleet bonus) with full tackle gear and 930 ms and 1 neutralizer.


Rememberign that it can apply its damage better to smaller targets than a drake.

Only a fool underestimates a prophecy.