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Ship Changes - Odyssey (common sense?)
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Denalipro
Chaos arbiter
Fraternity.
#1 - 2013-05-27 20:28:05 UTC
ok, so just checked out some of the changes in Odyssey and while a few of those buffs are interesting and may be somewhat appealing to newer players, i think collectively CCP is ruining EVE.

-Battleships
In my opinion battleships are or should be on the same field with capitals. Some of these nerfs and buffs are straight out stupid.


Megathron

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% Large Hybrid Turret Rate of Fire (replaces Large Hybrid Turret Damage)
+7.5% Large Hybrid Turret Tracking Speed

Slot layout: 7H (-1), 4M, 8L (+1); 7 turrets, 0 launchers (-2)
Fittings: 15500 PWG, 600 CPU (+50)
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6300 (+89) / 6500 (-141) / 7500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 5800 (+175) / 1087s / 5.02 (+0.15)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 122 (+7) / .117 (-0.0046) / 98400000 / 15.96s (-0.63)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 (-50) / 75 (-50)
Signature Radius: 380 (-20)

So youre taking away its beloved damage bonus, the reason a lot of toons get into these ships is for its dps from both drones and guns, and you're nerfing it. Thanks! lot of time it took to train those skills to 5 to max out that ship. you guys are ********!

Hyperion

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Large Hybrid Turret Damage (+5)
+7.5% Armor Repair Amount

Slot layout: 7H (-1), 5M, 7L (+1); 6 turrets (-2), 1 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG (+250), 600 CPU
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 (+25) / 175 (+75)

Great! new brawler, heres a thougt for you CCP,,,,why not give it a resist bonus instead of repair amount so it could compete with the maelstrom. While on that ship.

[The Maelstrom stays exactly the same.

the most over tanked active ship in game and u choose to leave it be,,,,logic???

While im just covering some ships mostly Battleship class, i think we all get the message here, your re-balancing scheme to most of us needs to be re-balanced. You guys are failing in some ships NOT ALL, but in the spirit of re-balancing ships you guys are not re-balancing anything. Thanks for your time

-Nali
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-05-27 20:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Resists are being nerfed, and I'm not sure what you mean about the Megathron. It has a damage bonus and a tracking bonus, that seems pretty decent to me.

Oh god.
Syreniac
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-27 20:45:16 UTC
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.
Denalipro
Chaos arbiter
Fraternity.
#4 - 2013-05-27 20:50:56 UTC
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.


I get the ROF,,,just not sure if im content with it =\
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-27 20:51:51 UTC
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol


quoting cuz it needs to be reiterated.

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Denalipro
Chaos arbiter
Fraternity.
#6 - 2013-05-27 20:52:44 UTC
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.

Added the drone bay and BW nerf, is why I'm a bit feathered lol
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-27 20:55:52 UTC
Denalipro wrote:
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.


I get the ROF,,,just not sure if im content with it =\


ok 25% ROF is more DPS than 25% flat damage, do you understand now?

Art of Explosions
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#8 - 2013-05-27 20:57:26 UTC
It's getting an extra low slow and a whole bunch of mobility, so I guess it evens out if you were only using 3 damage mods before. If you were already using 4, then I guess that sucks.

Oh god.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-05-27 21:01:39 UTC
Denalipro wrote:

Great! new brawler, heres a thougt for you CCP,,,,why not give it a resist bonus instead of repair amount so it could compete with the maelstrom. While on that ship.

[The Maelstrom stays exactly the same.

the most over tanked active ship in game and u choose to leave it be,,,,logic???


New Hype has a much higher sustained tank than Mael, and will happily outdamage it at the same time.

There are feedback threads for the changes, discussions are over and nothing is going to change before the expansion.

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Denalipro
Chaos arbiter
Fraternity.
#10 - 2013-05-27 21:07:22 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Denalipro wrote:
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.


I get the ROF,,,just not sure if im content with it =\


ok 25% ROF is more DPS than 25% flat damage, do you understand now?


"I get the ROF,,,just not sure if im content with it"

I get it,,,it's the BW and Bay that im not so content with
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-27 21:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Denalipro wrote:
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.


I get the ROF,,,just not sure if im content with it =\


ok 25% ROF is more DPS than 25% flat damage, do you understand now?

25% ROF equates to about 33% extra DPS until you factor reloading that is.



still, blasters + ROF? scary **** right there. ship will be terror at blaster ranges. and rails?

it is also a self-balancing bonus. due to the nature of blasters (and hybrids in general), a ROF damage means higher stress on cap so it's pretty much a ship that hits hard for short burts.


that said, I can handle the drone bay nerf. you can't have the best of 2 worlds.




....still after 5 years I still say that the hyperion should've got that bonus on top of the damage one.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-27 21:46:58 UTC
Why is it that you complain about dps for the Mega that got a dps buff, but not for the Hype that got a dps nerf?

Ah, right, someone must have failed Math...Lol
Josilin du Guesclin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-28 03:53:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Josilin du Guesclin
Denalipro wrote:

Great! new brawler, heres a thougt for you CCP,,,,why not give it a resist bonus instead of repair amount so it could compete with the maelstrom. While on that ship.

[The Maelstrom stays exactly the same.

the most over tanked active ship in game and u choose to leave it be,,,,logic???

So you don't like the rep bonus on the Hyperion, but think that the rep bonus on the Maelstrom makes it over-powered? Logic?

EDIT: If your problem is with Maels mounting ASBs, I suggest that you go after the ASBs, because they're the problem there, not the ship.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-28 05:22:42 UTC
Denalipro wrote:
Great! new brawler, heres a thougt for you CCP,,,,why not give it a resist bonus instead of repair amount so it could compete with the maelstrom.

you DO know that the maelstrom also has a rep (boost) bonus and not a resist bonus right?

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#15 - 2013-05-28 08:15:33 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Denalipro wrote:
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.


I get the ROF,,,just not sure if im content with it =\


ok 25% ROF is more DPS than 25% flat damage, do you understand now?


What is 25% RoF?

I know that -25% RoF is the same as +33% more damage, but that minus sign is quite important.
smokess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-28 08:21:41 UTC
Granted I have just resubbed after a lengthy break, but from what I recall isn't a RoF bonus superior to a straight damage bonus from a staple DPS perspective?

Less damage per volley, but a 7% increase in DPS or something similar?
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#17 - 2013-05-28 08:25:29 UTC
Salpad wrote:
[quote=Tsukino Stareine][quote=Denalipro][quote=Syreniac]... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

[...] but that minus sign is quite important.


Since it's a bonus, apply at will. If your damage output decreases, you obviously did it wrong :P

And don't you dare talking bad of that hyperion, it's finally become an awesome ship. And that dronebay.... hmmmmmmmm.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#18 - 2013-05-28 08:57:28 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Denalipro wrote:
Syreniac wrote:
... You do know what a Rate of Fire bonus means, right? Lol

And the Hyperion is going to be an amazing ship, even if it does have a sucky active tank bonus.


I get the ROF,,,just not sure if im content with it =\


ok 25% ROF is more DPS than 25% flat damage, do you understand now?


What is 25% RoF?

I know that -25% RoF is the same as +33% more damage, but that minus sign is quite important.


Rate Of Fire. it decreases the time it takes for your guns to fire, hence it is a negative value.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#19 - 2013-05-28 09:17:37 UTC
Let me check the Ship Changes for Odessey:

  1. Firetail gets finally its urgent needed buff. Check.
  2. Scythe Fleet Issue gets really needed more slots and will now get a really generic ship. Check.
  3. Typhoon is now modified into a missile specialization ship. Was not needed but makes it easier to use. Check.


Overall, I as Minmatar pilot am very happy with these changes.

Furthermore, nerving the Hookbill is really needed.
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#20 - 2013-05-28 12:39:02 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Why is it that you complain about dps for the Mega that got a dps buff, but not for the Hype that got a dps nerf?

Ah, right, someone must have failed Math...Lol

You seriously must have the best shrooms on the planet. The Odyssey Hype is getting a considerable DPS BUFF, not nerf. If fitted properly, it's looking to be the poor man's Vindi (minus the utility web and tracking bonus). The Hype is gonna be excellent for PvP with the changes. It's still only going to be meh for PvE, but it will have it's places.

The Odyssey Domi will R*pe Missions and still be quite viable for PvP, just not as absurdly high DPS from a cheap throw away T1 BS like it is now.

The Mega has been screwed for many years, lets hope this change will get them back out again. It is one of if not the most beautiful ships in Eve.

Geddon looks even more dangerous for PvP than it already is. The Cruise missile buff will help several BS's out and potentialy recrown the "King of LvL 4's" to the CNR. All in all the changes look promising with a few that are meh.

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