EVE General Discussion

To be fair, the FHC thread said FW *might* be a topic at the summit. Hardly encouraging. Also, Bomberlove - why'd you have to start out with the "we're not worthy" grovelling?? Show some PRIDE!!! There's no need to apologize for being a FW pilot or to apologize for bringing it up with the CSM - thats what they're there for. FW has been trolled historically in the past, but it now has some of the best PvP pilots in the game - whether the rest of New Eden has caught on to that yet or not. There's no need to reinforce outdated stereotypes.

But I really do appreciate you getting the discussion going there, too. I'm having trouble retrieving my login information for the site, otherwise I would spoken up there as well. Thanks for spreading the word, and being a voice for the community! It's people like you that are helping get stuff done.

Probably not, Shalee. The reason being that apparently CCP censors any mention of Failheap Challenge in the forums here, and apparently removes links and such. But go ahead and message me, i'll get you the link. Bomber could as well, I haven't even posted there. Having login issues and such.

awww what the hell. I'll just try it.

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?4348-Can-CSM-get-status-on-promised-FW-review

Agreed, though I want to clarify one thing - Those unfamiliar with the FW crowd shouldn't confuse "casual" with "noobish"....in fact, the only people left in FW these days are the hardcore group that lives for juicy killmails and is out losing ships on a near daily basis, constantly improving.

When we say casual, we mean readily available, in a convenient location, without the drama of alliance politics. As for the pilots themselves, casual doesnt begin to describe them as many are very cutthroat and competitive when it comes to gang warfare.

all of these changes linking lp to vp or plexing sounds good if *and only if* plexing stops being another carebear activity where you shoot red crosses in a different deadspace.


Hint: let the players know when a plex is entered and remove the npcs.

Exactly why I ended up leaving last time. I'd burned through my latest batch of rifters doing PvP and was trying to run some missions to recoup. LvL 3s don't pay as well as lvl4s (which is all I had standing for) and SCUM set up camp at the choke point at Hof and was there any time I was online. I lost several mission ships so I retired to my hi-sec mission ground to run some lvl4s for the fleet and recover from my FW missioning losses...... got ganked in my PVE Maelstrom. (my dumb TBH) and was left with less than 100k in my account by the time I'd refitted a new Maelstrom. And that was with NPC police running around. Lose the NPCs and this little tail will play out a lot more. For this reason along I'm a'gin it.

From a philosophical perspective: Why, exactly, would police forces NOT be shooting at you if you are the enemy? It's all well and good that the US wasn't arresting Russian civilians during the cold war, but you'd better believe the first russian paratrooper that landed in Arkansas was going to get shot on sight. Nevermind the fact that we're talking about a war in FW that has gone beyond posturing and seeing who has the bigger bomb.

Because missions have been discussed here so often, I thought I give my 2 cents:

Making isk with fw missions has nothing to do with the pvp part of faction warfare. And I don't think there should be any system where you get isk with pvp, too exploitable :)

The bombers farming the missions don't affect how I play in any way and I think the missions are ok like they are right now. They teach new players the lowsec "game zone" and basics of how to use cov ops ship (at least bombers are not used outside null that much) + give isk to pvp. Also mission runners sometime give nice intel while missioning in remote lowsec areas.

The main problem here I think is "how ccp would get me to do plexing" and to be honest I don't have good answer to that...

So you want to nerf missions because balancing mechanism that limits income if those are farmed too much is working?

All you want to do is to protect your own income on system that is open for all who have faction standing 0.5+.

Good luck on that.


Edit: i also want to add that OP is mad because i have made lot of isk with fw missions and still doing isk from those.

But maybe he did not realize that if you make some system that boost lp gain if you kill enemies and capture plexes and systems, i would be one of those who will get most boosts.

You are on right tracks, it is about what players can do to make EVE better not always what ccp can do.

On the topic of FW missions. When a system is swung any friendly agents in that system should be made unavailable. This means that if crazy old Drama Ragearion manages to swing Intaki then a valuable asset to the Gallente would be lost. In a scenario where all low sec for a faction is lost (as per Gallente last year), FW pilots would have to resort to the lower reward high-sec agents.

This gives some incentive to swing a system, or defend it for that matter.

As for the plexing side, i dont have the experience to comment.

Not really no, the protectionism is nice and snug with you it seems .. you would stand to loose a substantial amount of income should such a thing be done .. having alts in all militia's is one thing but if the earning of ISK/LP from missions is tied directly to the action of the individual character there is no way of "gaming" the system.

CCP already acknowledges that FW should be about the pew, not the missions and the one should feed the other, both in the actual FW promo material but also in the fact that a mission takes 5 minutes to complete solo in a PvP ship and it pops an overview beacon.
The mere fact that it is being farmed as heavily as it is proves beyond doubt that it is not what was intended .. it is the single highest source of income for an individual anywhere in Eve .. that should belong in blob-land not Empire according to risk/reward system.
So we can either reduce FW mission income to a pittance or make certain that the people it was meant for are the ones who benefit .. since the former effectively kills FW in its cradle the only real option is the latter.

PS: Starting to see why Hans chose to stick you on his 'ignore posts' list .. you are really not contributing much of anything