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EVE Launcher update on May 21, 2013

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Elijah bailey Eistiras
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2181 - 2013-05-22 11:27:43 UTC
I can not log in with my shortcut or even through the program ... I have to go through the bin ........ stop changing things that work! it gets tiring
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#2182 - 2013-05-22 11:28:15 UTC
Immortalmyth wrote:
Immortalmyth wrote:
way to go


absolutly fking crap

ccp you has/had a good game with eve its beyond comprehension why you retards in dev team
must break everything that isnt broken.

seriosly 5 accounts and this bullshit to jsut to update skills, id rather just keep playing skyrim/diabl0/age of empires
trather then go thru all the bullshit of having to reset all my goddamned settings AGAIN.

fk you ccp!

-imm



The authentication token provided by the launcher is of an invalid format. Please try again or contact EVE customer support.


open the eve folder
open the bin folder
use the eve.exe from there

you will only have to open the launcher to patch the client if / when it shows incompatible

OMG when can i get a pic here
Justin Ackaris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2183 - 2013-05-22 11:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Ackaris
Kblackjack54 wrote:
Ok, before CCP kill the facility and for those of you that have apparently LOST there Usernames from the log in screen of this amazing new and improved yet utterly rubbish IMO, log in facility, here is a simple tip to recover this information quickly and without drama.

C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\bin

Copy paste that line into your windows search and press enter.

this will open the BIN file for you, perfectly safe to do and it contains the 'ExeFile' which you need to locate, highlighted by the EVE symbol.

Once you have found it, right click it and select 'Create Shortcut' this will appear at the bottom of the same page, usual shortcut identification of a curving blue arrow overlaying the EVE logo.

Drag and drop this onto your desktop, NOT THE ORIGINAL, close the explorer and then simply click that shortcut, the Original utterly useless and totally insignificant EVE launcher will open for you along with all your User names neatly stored as before.

Currently you can still use this launcher to open your clients without a problem, been doing it since the patch, hence avoiding all the drama of the past 24 hours, Suggest you also open the New and improved utterly perfect launcher currently offered by CCP's perfectionist Devs and copy your information over in the order you want them, failure to do this correctly will result in your listing being fixed in that order so think about which toons you use first and most and load them in order from there.

CCP Devs will probably read this and instantly either block it or remove the described facility so my guess is it will be time dependent.



Confirming total close of new launcher and restart fixed all the issues for me regarding validation times/lost chat windows/etc however, lack of ability to run multiple characters makes this new launcher useless.

Kblackjack54's (and many other smart people) solution works just fine - goes back to the OLD logon screen prior to introduction of the launcher screen and will be my default choice of EVE login till the issue of using multiple logins are fixed unless there's a fix applied.

Or until they stop us using it.
Queitis
DBCI
C0LD Fusion
#2184 - 2013-05-22 11:38:14 UTC
Mine is still using the old launcher??
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#2185 - 2013-05-22 11:39:22 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Solution for everyone losing their settings: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3069509#post3069509


This works if you only use one client. If you have multiple clients linked to one install, the subsequent logins fail to recognize proper settings.

To multi-box now I have to point all my launch icons to the instaldir/bin/ExeFile.exe

Way to go CCP. I thought you guys ran metrics to understand how people use your launcher and client. Have you ignored them or does no one on CCP's QA team multibox or even test for it?

I waited 24 hours to even experience this launcher drama after looking at the forums yesterday and its still crap right now.

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Aphelion Thunderclap
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2186 - 2013-05-22 11:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aphelion Thunderclap
GMs please listen i am Thunder i own 9 Accounts thats alot of launch launch launching of the launcher plus for some reason its not remembering all of my accounts which is very very annoying especially since i have repaired the client and it appears that to me this must be a New *Feature* ....unsubbing 5 accounts in Protest...that is allSad

*Edit Why fix what wasn't broken *
Sha'kir
New Eve Trading Company
#2187 - 2013-05-22 11:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sha'kir
Hello Dev Team.
When i close the launcher (top right X), the 2 processes "launcher.exe" remain in the system and eating memory.
What for?

2 things:
1) one launcher.exe should be enough
2) when closing the launcher, remove "all" launcher.exe processes

System:
1) Win XP PRO, SP 2, Core 2 Duo 6400, 4 GB RAM, GeForce GTX 660 Ti
2) Win7 Home Prmium, SP 1, Core I7 Q740, 4 GB RAM, GeForce GT 425M

Thanks in advance.
I would really dislike to manually kill this 2 processes everytime i played eve ....

Uh, i see ppl who get 6 launcher.exe. maybe you devs start one for every CPU threed? I have 2 CPU threeds.
I updated my 8 CPU threed system: "Only" 2 launcher.exe got startet. So this is not the problem.
Smite Mueller
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2188 - 2013-05-22 11:41:02 UTC
Another feedback update:

Trying to start the game as usaual via the launcher gets me 6 (SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) launcher processes in my task manager when I am only trying to start the game once.

Consequence: Game will be started by shortcut to the exefile in the bin folder.

The launcher can **** OFF.

Sorry, I am no IT professional, but I am a business professional. If you want to introduce new features, kindly ask your customers, if they would appreciate it and prove them that they will get an added value with the new feature.

Every thing else is just a pure recipe for disaster. Messing up so badly shortly before another update, which will crapnerf other fine running things and boost things that don't need boosting.... Well....
I am desperately waiting for the panda bears in space.... Eve was a fine running game with its own charm...
The more mainstream and "big-aliances" friendly it gets, the less newcomers it will attract...
arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2189 - 2013-05-22 11:43:13 UTC
so i just heard that people on sisi gave it a thumbs down
so what idiot thinks a thumbs dowm means launch it on the live server?

somebody needs to get a good kick for this
Iroh Mishi
Orphans of Charon
#2190 - 2013-05-22 11:50:57 UTC
Wow, yeah, new launcher no bueno. I regularly login several accounts at once, and never had an issue with the old launcher. Now, I have to have an instance of the launcher running for every single account? Come on guys, that's a huge step backwards.
Glasgow Dunlop
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2191 - 2013-05-22 11:51:27 UTC
can you not just roll back?

then leave it as was?

just saying . . .

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Affirmative.
#2192 - 2013-05-22 11:57:58 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
Regarding the traditional login scene and log off options: I mentioned this in another forum thread (here). The traditional login screen and functionality still exists, and many people have been bypassing the EVE Launcher and accessing it to restore the old functionality.

The new login functionality that we deployed today is designed to start changing the way users log into the EVE Universe; whilst it is often true that one shouldn't change something if it isn't broken, such a cliché doesn't allow for changing priorities. Our goal was that by rolling out the new login method, and supporting the single sign on service, we could lay the groundwork to start moving people away from the messy multiboxing setups that have traditionally never been supported by us as a company, and towards something that makes more sense for CCP and the services we provide.

To expand on this point, there are a number of exotic setups for multiboxing involving either multiple physical installs of the game, hybrid symlinks, junctions, soft links, hard links, partial copies and more. And in almost every single case people multi box for one reason: to be able to have individual setups for their settings, or to hasten the login flow. The deployment today, as difficult and bad as it was (for which I apologise) was to deploy the single sign on service, through which we can start to work on these issues. My hope is that in the end, you will be able to log into the EVE Launcher once, which downloads your settings from the cloud, with all of your accounts linked, via either a single EVE master account or via some other OAuth provider, and be able to select characters and switch between them at the click of a single button.

As for the log off button, many people don't really use it to log off from the game, but rather as a quick means to quit the game and restart at the login screen. The new token based authentication that the EVE Launcher uses isn't cleared by the EVE client, and so when it attempts to restart, it will actually attempt to reconnect with expired credentials which would throw an error message. It isn't perfect though, and we will be working on a fix for this tomorrow and in the coming days.

Log Off Button was used TO CHANGE CHARACTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mostly because you didn't have a real way to switch Characters.

Now instead of:
Log off -> Re-enter Password(account was already filled) -> Select New Character

We Have:
Quit -> Re-launcher the Launcher -> Select the Correct Account again -> Re-Enter Password -> Select New Character

Its enough to drive anyone nuts
AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
#2193 - 2013-05-22 11:59:16 UTC
To me this new launcher feels like something only half tested and half finished.

My issues so far:


  • Click-dragging the "latest news" scrollbar selects text. Actually, you can select most of the text in the window, and often do so without actually wanting to.
  • After logging in via the so-called single sign on in the launcher, if I click on any of the links in the launcher, I still have to log in again in the website. What's the point of logging in in the launcher?
  • Client verification took a quarter of an hour for some reason.
  • After closing the launcher when I log in I have to re-accept the ESRB each time.
  • Switching user accounts is a pain: lots of clicking around.
  • When selecting an existing user name from the drop down list the cursor should jump to the password field.
  • I still have to click play after logging in. Why not make two buttons: Login and Play, that way I can choose if I want to play directly or just log into the launcher.
  • When I click play, the "Launching..." text is not centered vertically in the button at first.
  • The buddy invites ad jumps around - if there is only one ad available, I would deactivate the switching animation.
  • In some cases after switching accounts the left sidebar was completely empty. I had to re-launch the launcher for it to work again.
  • 80 MB memory usage seems a bit much for a launcher.
  • The "More stories" link in the right sidebar disapears when you click on it, I'd expect it to re


Beyond that, I feel that the launcher still does not offer any real value beyond launching the game. I understand that it fills an important technical role, but from my user view it's pretty pointless.

Lone wolf and nomad extraordinaire. eve.aeonoftime.com
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#2194 - 2013-05-22 12:00:27 UTC
arria Auscent wrote:
so i just heard that people on sisi gave it a thumbs down
so what idiot thinks a thumbs dowm means launch it on the live server?

somebody needs to get a good kick for this



I stopped providing feedback on SISI a long time ago. If your opinion does not match CCP's master plan, they just ignore it and steam ahead anyway. This has been going on for ages.

The only reason they keep the test server feedack forum going is to pretend that they listen, when they really do not give a ****.
Meytal
Doomheim
#2195 - 2013-05-22 12:03:21 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
Regarding the traditional login scene and log off options: I mentioned this in another forum thread (here). The traditional login screen and functionality still exists, and many people have been bypassing the EVE Launcher and accessing it to restore the old functionality.

The new login functionality that we deployed today is designed to start changing the way users log into the EVE Universe; whilst it is often true that one shouldn't change something if it isn't broken, such a cliché doesn't allow for changing priorities. Our goal was that by rolling out the new login method, and supporting the single sign on service, we could lay the groundwork to start moving people away from the messy multiboxing setups that have traditionally never been supported by us as a company, and towards something that makes more sense for CCP and the services we provide.

To expand on this point, there are a number of exotic setups for multiboxing involving either multiple physical installs of the game, hybrid symlinks, junctions, soft links, hard links, partial copies and more. And in almost every single case people multi box for one reason: to be able to have individual setups for their settings, or to hasten the login flow. The deployment today, as difficult and bad as it was (for which I apologise) was to deploy the single sign on service, through which we can start to work on these issues. My hope is that in the end, you will be able to log into the EVE Launcher once, which downloads your settings from the cloud, with all of your accounts linked, via either a single EVE master account or via some other OAuth provider, and be able to select characters and switch between them at the click of a single button.

As for the log off button, many people don't really use it to log off from the game, but rather as a quick means to quit the game and restart at the login screen. The new token based authentication that the EVE Launcher uses isn't cleared by the EVE client, and so when it attempts to restart, it will actually attempt to reconnect with expired credentials which would throw an error message. It isn't perfect though, and we will be working on a fix for this tomorrow and in the coming days.

This sounds great and wonderful ... really it does .. but as others have pointed out, "the cloud" isn't the solution to everything. The settings used to access the game are not per account, they are per-machine, and the best place to save those settings is on each machine. You moved the fittings to the game servers and from local client storage, and limited what we could do with it, presumably for storage space reasons, and they could be implemented very tightly. You're opening a can of worms by trying to do the same thing with user settings, particularly the per-machine settings, as you then need to save settings for each account on each device that has been used to access the game.

Other reasons people duplicate client installations include stability and backups in case of issues during patching.

And I don't mean any offense, but the simple login procedure we get with ExeFile.exe is refreshing compared to most of the other games out there. This last bit makes me sound resistant to change, but I have to admit ... what we had really was nice from the end-user perspective. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than a lot of alternatives.
SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#2196 - 2013-05-22 12:04:12 UTC
Hey.

Not sure whether anyone cares... Figured this is the feedback thread, so here's my feedback:

I don't like the new launcher, please reverse the "upgrade" if you can, I liked the old log in screen better, stylewise. Not sure why a change was necessary technically or why that wouldn't have worked with the old log in screen.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2197 - 2013-05-22 12:04:35 UTC
Quick, everybody shoot statue! Wait... what do you mean you cannot log in?!

Invalid signature format
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#2198 - 2013-05-22 12:06:20 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
...

To expand on this point, there are a number of exotic setups for multiboxing involving either multiple physical installs of the game, hybrid symlinks, junctions, soft links, hard links, partial copies and more. And in almost every single case people multi box for one reason: to be able to have individual setups for their settings, or to hasten the login flow. The deployment today, as difficult and bad as it was (for which I apologise) was to deploy the single sign on service, through which we can start to work on these issues. My hope is that in the end, you will be able to log into the EVE Launcher once, which downloads your settings from the cloud, with all of your accounts linked, via either a single EVE master account or via some other OAuth provider, and be able to select characters and switch between them at the click of a single button.


This sounds fantastic.

Why did you roll-out with a half-assed solution that screws with everyone that multi-boxes first? It's your loyal fanbase that multi-boxes, and we're the ones you've pissed off.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
shubelia
Perkone
Caldari State
#2199 - 2013-05-22 12:10:18 UTC
after each DT we have to click accept on the eula?! is that normal?:)
Ginger Barbarella
#2200 - 2013-05-22 12:12:08 UTC
1. New launcher doesn't remember logged-in account names; only retains last account name successfully logged in
2. Interface is slow, meaning it now requires an extra click, client verification is SLOOOOW, getting mouse to the right place isn't intuitive, etc

The "speed" that I can log is is now much slower than before. Ignoring #1 above (even tho that's big), I could just type the first letter of the account, down-arrow to select from list of cached account names, hit tab, enter password, and I was in. Takes longer now, and that's VERY annoying.

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