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titan is dead, was totally scripted
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Sayf ulMulk
Royal Starlancers
#61 - 2013-05-03 08:26:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sayf ulMulk
to fire cyno and fire dd is completly possible within few seconds it just requires to assign proper values in item table. The reason why it was not done probably was that ccp didnt wanted to create special items with added atributes. So they just simply fixed the results.

However this has very negative impact on player morale since why you would attend event where you have 0 impact on its result. So i hope ccp learned its lesson and this was last time they were manipulating the outcomes.
Johann Rascali
The Milkmen
Churn and Burn
#62 - 2013-05-04 14:22:30 UTC
Sayf ulMulk wrote:
However this has very negative impact on player morale since why you would attend event where you have 0 impact on its result. So i hope ccp learned its lesson and this was last time they were manipulating the outcomes.

Anyone with half an ounce of common sense and understanding of EVE's lore and politics should have known that Titan was coming down. The possible storyline to unfold following the major shift of power when it's destroyed is much more rich than "welp it didn't die, everything basically goes back to normal." Still, a massive gathering of players showed up and the event was an overall success.

I hope that CCP did learn; that it's fine to script only the necessary portions of events that need to happen in order for interesting storylines to not go to waste.
People are squawking like the sandbox has been ruined and that CCP strangled the whole ordeal. CCP could have closed off the gates to the system, forced all the players out, then given us a Twitch.tv stream of an actors-only event playing out over the planet (maybe then we'd have actually seen the Titan explodeLol). That's what he amount of rabble being generated by the rousers would suggest they did. But, they didn't. They set one parameter; the Titan dies. Other than that, everyone was free to do as they willed within the constraints of the game and the hardware running it.

Blanking signatures doesn't seem to work, so this is here.
Bill Henry Cosby
The Lollercaust
#63 - 2013-05-07 12:02:32 UTC
I keep seeing people using the whole leaked skybox thing as proof that the event was scripted. This is not evidence of scripting the outcome. All that it proves is that the art assets for the Titan being taken out were made ahead of time to be used in the event the Titan did go down. What would you people expect CCP to to do otherwise? Wait to create the art assets right as the Titan actually died, then bring the servers down immediately after so they can patch it in? Seriously, what kind of unrealistic expectations...

There very well could of been a whole different set of art assets with lots of Gallente dread debris littering the background if the opposite happened, that will now never be used. Or just alternatively they could of saved time and not made any art assets for the opposite since like people mentioned, not much would of really changed.

Let me draw another example from a different source in case this still doesn't make sense to somebody. I watched the daily show on the 2008 presidential election night. After it was confirmed Barrack Obama won, they played this whole, obviously pre-recorded clip where the entire cast runs out of the building onto the rooftop, where it is day time in the clip. The Daily Show was being broadcasted live, and at the time it was definitely nightime on the east coast, in NY where the show is taped.

Now one of two things are possible:
#1 They prerecorded this clip in the anticipation Obama would win, so they would have it ready to play when the announcement was made, possibly recording a second they could use if McCain won, with it never being used if the opposite had happened.

#2 The Daily Show themselves rigged the entire presidential election in the U.S. for their own benefit after having recorded the clip.

So seriously, saying that the art assets presence is evidence of scripting is like saying the fact that clip was prerecorded is evidence of election rigging by the staff of a comedy show. That's not proof that it wasn't in fact scripted, it just means you cant use that as evidence to support such a claim.
Sayf ulMulk
Royal Starlancers
#64 - 2013-05-21 09:46:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sayf ulMulk
Johann Rascali wrote:
Sayf ulMulk wrote:
However this has very negative impact on player morale since why you would attend event where you have 0 impact on its result. So i hope ccp learned its lesson and this was last time they were manipulating the outcomes.

Anyone with half an ounce of common sense and understanding of EVE's lore and politics should have known that Titan was coming down. The possible storyline to unfold following the major shift of power when it's destroyed is much more rich than "welp it didn't die, everything basically goes back to normal." Still, a massive gathering of players showed up and the event was an overall success.

I hope that CCP did learn; that it's fine to script only the necessary portions of events that need to happen in order for interesting storylines to not go to waste.
People are squawking like the sandbox has been ruined and that CCP strangled the whole ordeal. CCP could have closed off the gates to the system, forced all the players out, then given us a Twitch.tv stream of an actors-only event playing out over the planet (maybe then we'd have actually seen the Titan explodeLol). That's what he amount of rabble being generated by the rousers would suggest they did. But, they didn't. They set one parameter; the Titan dies. Other than that, everyone was free to do as they willed within the constraints of the game and the hardware running it.


Yes closing gates and making video with actors would be much better. Becouse it doesnt create negative rep. People have better things to do then come to event where they already know what happens. If ccp would advertise that is looking for actors only 100 people would come if ccp would be lucky. Players play eve becouse its sandbox where you make difference not becouse the results are public before event happens. Last time events were scripted it was complete PR disaster (Aurora i think) and CCP didnt learned its lesson. The events were stopped for several years becouse ccp couldnt get out from the negative rep the events got. IT was clear sign that players dont want scripted events at all and this attitude is persistant even now. IF there should be event it should have some objectives but left to players to achieve.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#65 - 2013-05-21 10:19:53 UTC
Sayf ulMulk wrote:


Yes closing gates and making video with actors would be much better. Becouse it doesnt create negative rep. People have better things to do then come to event where they already know what happens. If ccp would advertise that is looking for actors only 100 people would come if ccp would be lucky. Players play eve becouse its sandbox where you make difference not becouse the results are public before event happens. Last time events were scripted it was complete PR disaster (Aurora i think) and CCP didnt learned its lesson. The events were stopped for several years becouse ccp couldnt get out from the negative rep the events got. IT was clear sign that players dont want scripted events at all and this attitude is persistant even now. IF there should be event it should have some objectives but left to players to achieve.

As has been said a million times, the titan going down being certain (and it in theory was possible to save it if every one of the 2000 capsuleers had sided with it, just highly unlikely since the majority of capsuleers were lining up against it) does not mean the event was scripted.
Players still had large elements of influence on the flow of the event, how much damage the Gallente Navy took, who the various factions are going to remember as intervening on various sides. If CCP were to run another event of similar status, I am 100% sure there would be 2000 in system and a traffic jam on the gates in again. A few people may throw a hissy and not turn up, the rest of us will all be there, greatly appreciating being part of the story.
Also, Aurora was nothing to do with 'scripted' events and to do with some of the player leads at the time abusing the power they had been gifted by CCP to reward their friends. I wasn't around for it personally, but I have at least read history.
Sayf ulMulk
Royal Starlancers
#66 - 2013-05-21 13:57:13 UTC
It has been not said "milion times". And yes the part about titan going down was certain since the info was alredy leaked so duh. About aurora and scripted events...basicaly saying "some of the player leads at the time abusing the power they had been gifted by CCP to reward their friends." Its the damn same thing as both outcomes were known before it has happened. It makes no moral difference that CCP just used extra ingame assets to move the caldari/gallente ark forward. Either its eve sandbox or its not. Its simple as that. When there will be next event guess what will be the first questions people will ask? Is it worth to go there? Do i make the difference in the outcome? If people will not be able to get answer to these questions from game company its harldy more then a staged brawl. You could as well join red vs blue and in fact it would be more fair outcome then live event.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#67 - 2013-05-21 15:32:32 UTC
Sayf ulMulk wrote:
It has been not said "milion times". And yes the part about titan going down was certain since the info was alredy leaked so duh. About aurora and scripted events...basicaly saying "some of the player leads at the time abusing the power they had been gifted by CCP to reward their friends." Its the damn same thing as both outcomes were known before it has happened. It makes no moral difference that CCP just used extra ingame assets to move the caldari/gallente ark forward. Either its eve sandbox or its not. Its simple as that. When there will be next event guess what will be the first questions people will ask? Is it worth to go there? Do i make the difference in the outcome? If people will not be able to get answer to these questions from game company its harldy more then a staged brawl. You could as well join red vs blue and in fact it would be more fair outcome then live event.


EVE Online is as far as I can tell the most Sandbox MMO out there. There might be some even more Sandbox ones (like Second Life) but they suffer in quality, direction, and gameplay. Those are mostly social games and little else.

But you have to understand something. Not everyone can be Shakor. Not everyone can be Roden. You have influence, but not everyone can have influence on the level of a major faction leader. So there isn't bias (for example some having Faction Leader level influence, others don't) then players have to have the largest amount of influence possible on a lower scale so that we can justify having 50 thousand of them around at one time.

You are more powerful then a grain of sand, but you're not a dumptruck full of sand. Like in the real world, which is the ultimate Sandbox, some events have too much inertia for you to stop. Like the United States, you cannot stop it. But you might be able to slow it, or redirect it. Be a Julian Assange of EVE. Look for ways to influence things how you wish them to be. Gather allies that share your goal. Lead them. You cannot do this alone. Together your shovels of sand might outweigh the truck. But only if you realize there are going to be enemies on the other side fighting against you. You have to take them into account as well. Am I making any sense?