Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With the right fittings, in amarr space, there is nothing faster than a laser BS. While AC dps looks cool on paper, the falloff mechanics will cost you a considerable big amount of damage you lose and using faction ammo with them is the most expensive thing. Blasters are terrible for L4 outside a few missions. CMs will be interesting after the patch.

Beams on the Abaddon are not slot effective compared to puls(if you stick the 2 extra slots you need for cap into dps and optimal puls are better for L4) and there is not really a good reason to use them on the apoc, given that the extra optimal is nearly always wasted with beams on it and what puls lasers gain by the optimal bonus. I simply struggle to see why so many of you guys want to fit beams on them. Puls cost less fitting, less cap, track a lot better and are just as good at most common ranges. On the Apoc you need to go beyond 100km to actually make use of bigger beam dps at range, because with long range faction crystalls/scorch it does very good dps on ranges where you need arti\rails on the other hulls(and the apoc out damage them at most of this ranges with puls).

You don't need scorch with puls lasers, with 2 TCs navy Infrared is also a good option(less damage, more tracking). As pointed out a couple of pages before, you will need around 2 more cap related mods on a L4 apoc and you gain the equivalent of a faction TC with tracking script for it, reducing the amount of slots more or less to 1, what costs you 5% optimal or dps. While this is a small cut, it by no means make the apoc useless to new players.

The issue of new players with amarr BS come down 99% of the time to jumping into them to soon(I have seen people with 500k SP in gunnery), fitting them mostly wrong and simply lacking a good understanding how lasers perform at certain ranges and how to use them the most effective way(because this is something that comes from praxis). If you look at the threads when new players have questions or struggle, this isn't a amarr exclusive problem but a universal thing for all races.

Thanks for Utterly Ruining the Geddon.

No dps bonus means it's now an Arty/ Neut boat like the Prophecy was for years. That has been the strength of Amarr for 10 years. They were never a laser platform. They just happened to be the only fleet that had the option to use them. They still are. When they aren't, the become an Armor tanking beast with a crazy Capacitor and in this case a Drone bay to boot. Logi the drone bays, add that to the weapons free capacitor tank and I'm thinking a Geddon fleet is going to be one SOB to kill.

I'm a bit baffled. Without a doubt I'm certainly doing something wrong here. Pelea Ming did you actually fited that ?

Additionally, what is the tank, what is the cap stability with AB & Repper on, since you almost certainly are not getting enough reps off a medium repper to get away with pulsing your reps. And you will be having AB on in an attempt to mitigate incoming damage to make up for your tiny tank.
It's a great EFT Warrior fit, I'm really not convinced by it though, especially since you are faction/deadspace fitting everything, so that's way way WAY out of reach of anyone just starting into Lvl 4 missions.

Puttering around at 100 in any Amarr BS doesn't really achieve those results.

Rofl, what a crap abaddon fit.

4 cap mods, pulses, high end MEDIUM repairer, high end afterburner and still not even close to being capstable. And the funniest part - 189 tank. Anyone thinking it is viable mission boat must be mentally challenged. Go take it to sansha blockade and lets see how long you will last.

But hey, "if you dont use that armor repairer AND afterburner AND conflagration, it for sure is 100% capstable." Cap stability redefined.

Anyone posting that shitfit, go back under your bridge please and dont spam worthless **** in "features and ideas" subforum.


Who needs to shoot rats when missioning anyway...

Later on I did, and I found out that you end up trading 2 CCC rigs for 2 Nano Pump rigs to make it come close to a single T2 Large Repper... ie, your paying way more for that deadspace med for less then you get out of an Imp Nav L Repper with similar cap stability considering the tradeoffs you have to make...

In short, it doesn't do a damned thing for the Abaddon's cap issues, it's just a trade off.

Well, I won't lie, I use 2 6% cap implants and a 6% controlled bursts implant as a matter of course with any amarr BS I sit in, and I tweaked that fit to use a T2 CCC, 3 Cap Rechargers, 1 Cap Power Relay, a T2 Nano Pump and a T1 Nano Pump and no AB. I end up with about 240.8 hp/s rep and 30.2% cap stability. Going back to my old set up of dual Imp Nav L Reppers, 2 T2 CCC and 1 T1 CCC lets me perma run 1 repper and burst the second when/if needed for 273.1 hp/s (1 rep running) and cap stability with 1 running at 48.7%. And, yes, there have been many a time when I've had to actually shut down half my turrets to continiously run that second repper to handle the incoming fire with amarr bs 5 and the current 5% per level resist bonus.

After testing this tank out in the test server with the changes, I found that I had to swap out my old standard of an eanm for a reactive armor hardner to make up for the lost resist profile which with the reduced cap draw of the pulse ended up equalling out to I actually ended up losing some of my cap stability in the long run, and the tank is still squishier then before.

IE, so much for armor tank supposedly being brought up to being comparable to shield tank, this really just makes it that much worse.

Person who posted that fit stated citation:

That was incorrect or a lie or big pile of lies call it what you want. So that was my point for asking, cause maybe I did something wrong.

And no I would not agree that cap stability is irrelevant, at least not only when you are using your guns with help of 2 rigs and still don't even get close to stable.