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I would buy a PLEX if I could sell it for 2 billion ISK. How about you?

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#141 - 2013-05-21 01:12:48 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

My goals........


WTF does any of this have to do with unbalancing the eve economy?

You, sir, are a troll. And you clearly didn't read my flowchart.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#142 - 2013-05-21 01:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Istyn wrote:

Confirming that internet spaceship riots, mass unsubs that resulted in 20% of CCP's workforce being laid off, internet spaceship politicians actually being summoned and flown from across the world for an emergency crisis meeting, is not a result of the actions of core players.

Not to mention your post where you blatantly show no understanding of the summer of rage and suggest that 'nobody really knows what happened in CCP's meetings' and that they might have secretly predicted the reaction to the suggestion of pay-to-win items (precisely why they would do this I cannot fathom for the life of me) for some ulterior conspiracy motive.

When the CEO of a company has to apologise to its customers as major shareholders are starting to freak out, do you really expect them to risk that again just to satisfy the price you want PLEX to be, or the value you want it to be with the mad free-ship bonus idea?

What sort of alternate lunaticville reality do you live in?


I live in and keep track of the real world. During the time from 2008 to 2011 there was something of a real world economic "bump." You may or may not be aware of that fact. Companies that managed to retain 80% of employees through those years did so at great risk or because they were doing very well.

I don't disagree with you that Incarna was not well received, however the cost cutting measures that CCP and all other companies were forced to take during that time period may have been due to factors that were actually beyond the scope of customer satisfaction.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#143 - 2013-05-21 01:40:58 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

My goals........


WTF does any of this have to do with unbalancing the eve economy?

You, sir, are a troll. And you clearly didn't read my flowchart.

I am a "troll" with 2000+ hits on a thread about shifting the advantage to those players who pay for the game. You are a guy with a flow chart that no one read.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-05-21 01:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
You're basically asking for the ability to go to amazon, buy a 6 plex package for $99, and for the $4.72/month difference between adding 6 months of gametime through CCP's site and buying 6 PLEX through Amazon, you want over a billion ISK worth of free **** /per plex you buy/ on top of the plex you already get

Get out

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#145 - 2013-05-21 01:48:03 UTC
Subbing an account by buying PLEXes with ISK is also considered paying for a game. The means might be different, but the act necessitates your presence as a customer for the transaction to occur. If some people didn't buy PLEXes with ISK to keep their accounts going, other people wouldn't buy PLEXes with cash to sell them on the market. It's a simple example of causality.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#146 - 2013-05-21 01:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
....
You should "like" post #143. You know you want to.

Put your headphones on and click my sig link to. That makes it even better.

....CVA.....
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#147 - 2013-05-21 02:02:06 UTC
Okay, I did, but you owe me now.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#148 - 2013-05-21 02:05:09 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Okay, I did, but you owe me now.


Fair enough, but don't call it on some cheezy ****.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2013-05-21 07:09:57 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Andski wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Anyways, I'm leaving now to go read some Ayn Rand to sixth graders at my local public library. See y'all in a couple of hours.


Is it Bad Literature Day at the library?


I always think of Ayn Rand as deep thinking for selfish 14 year olds.

Or if they continue to be completely selfish, deep thinking for sociopathic adults.


Damn right, I should be entitled to steal from others or they're selfish.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#150 - 2013-05-21 08:49:22 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Andski wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Anyways, I'm leaving now to go read some Ayn Rand to sixth graders at my local public library. See y'all in a couple of hours.


Is it Bad Literature Day at the library?


I always think of Ayn Rand as deep thinking for selfish 14 year olds.

Or if they continue to be completely selfish, deep thinking for sociopathic adults.


I mostly agree with you, except for the deep thinking part. Ayn Rand can't think past the first layer of consequences. Kinda like our OP Corey Fumimasa here.

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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
Perkone
Caldari State
#151 - 2013-05-21 09:30:04 UTC
so increasing the price of plex 2 billion

People buy plex has 2 billion

prices of everything goes up based on that your 2 bill is now worth 500m by today's isk standards.

come back to forums and rage about the price of plex...


Yep seems legit.

can i has the number to your dealer??
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-05-21 09:35:51 UTC
CCP said on fanfest that they are closely monitoring the plex market and even intervened at some point, it's simply not gonna happen.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#153 - 2013-05-21 10:55:28 UTC
Jadzia Idaris Devereaux wrote:
so increasing the price of plex 2 billion

People buy plex has 2 billion

prices of everything goes up based on that your 2 bill is now worth 500m by today's isk standards.

come back to forums and rage about the price of plex...


Yep seems legit.

can i has the number to your dealer??



Of course PLEX will never sell in game for more than people can pay for it. It will always be possible to to fund accounts with in game currency, and it wont cost more than what people are willing to pay for it.

The point of the OP is that; selling PLEX this way provides more value to the players in game who are purchasing it to fund their sub. The time they have to make that ISK is also time in game interacting with the universe and learning about it.

This thread was and is just a discussion about how to provide more value to the player who is paying cash for the PLEX and selling it in-game.

The easiest way to do this would be for CCP to subsidize PLEX with in game goods. There are of course huge ramifications to such a thing and the talk has shifted about how to mitigate those.

But the PLEX to play option in Eve is brilliant, and I'm quite sure its here to stay. so no worries on that front.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#154 - 2013-05-21 11:07:33 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
The point of the OP is that; selling PLEX this way provides more value to the players in game who are purchasing it to fund their sub. The time they have to make that ISK is also time in game interacting with the universe and learning about it.

The thing you're overlooking with that argument is that the increased value for these PLEX-buying people will come at the expense of everyone else, until a new market equilibrium is achieved. Every Megathron you give away with a PLEX means that an in-game producer of Megathrons is making less of a profit for the same amount of effort, with a portion of the profit being essentially given to the PLEX buyer.

Once again, until market equilibrium is achieved, all you'd be doing is redistributing wealth.

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https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#155 - 2013-05-21 11:17:23 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
The point of the OP is that; selling PLEX this way provides more value to the players in game who are purchasing it to fund their sub. The time they have to make that ISK is also time in game interacting with the universe and learning about it.

The thing you're overlooking with that argument is that the increased value for these PLEX-buying people will come at the expense of everyone else, until a new market equilibrium is achieved. Every Megathron you give away with a PLEX means that an in-game producer of Megathrons is making less of a profit for the same amount of effort, with a portion of the profit being essentially given to the PLEX buyer.

Once again, until market equilibrium is achieved, all you'd be doing is redistributing wealth.


But surely Megathrons just appear magically on the market?! People only play EVE the exact same way I play it, and nothing they do has any secondary effects on me.

Therefore CCP can just give me goodies with no consequences.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#156 - 2013-05-21 11:32:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:

My goals........


WTF does any of this have to do with unbalancing the eve economy?

You, sir, are a troll. And you clearly didn't read my flowchart.

I am a "troll" with 2000+ hits on a thread about shifting the advantage to those players who pay for the game. You are a guy with a flow chart that no one read.



2000 hits, and have you had a single reply that didn't tell you "you are horribly wrong"?

Just GTFO already, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, no idea of the consequences your idea would wrought, and no idea that everyone is laughing at you.

But no, in 2000 instances, someone has clicked on your topic (I've done it 3 times) so that must mean you're right.

Right?

Troll. (your post fits the definition perfectly)

edit: the flowchart has sound advice that has been repeated over 2000 times in the forums, since, well, FOREVER (a.k.a. since people have been having ideas as stupid as yours). I just distilled that advice into an easy-to-understand form. Try some logic on for size, just once.

p.s. every player pays for the game, or is indirect transaction too ******* difficult for you to comprehend?

p.p.s. I love how you have never once commented on any of the valid points raised here.

How do you think this would impact the player-driven EVE economy? Long term? Short term?

How do you think this would affect PLEX sales?

How long do you think it would be until prices simply fell back to 'normal'?

What kind of impact do you think would be felt by directly adding to the mineral basket without player interaction?



Did you even ask yourself a single one of these questions? Or was your entitlement so keen that you just had to press post on this textual wad of diarrhea?

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2013-05-21 13:38:56 UTC
If PLEX was at least 1bil, I'd buy it for real currency and sell if for ISK.

But crappy 500m ISK is not worth it imho.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2013-05-21 14:01:43 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

Doesn't mean they do.

Hell, they could turn off the server if they wanted. Doesn't mean they do just because they can.

There's a certain level of trust involved when you give someone your money to play with their toys.


I don't understand this; are you saying that you trust CCP to do something that they never said they were doing? Every so often you see adds for "Player driven economy" or whatever, that doesn't mean it isn't regulated. There are very few totally unregulated economies in the world, and none as big as the Eve economy to my knowledge.

Money, including ISK, is an entirely contrived idea that only has value because everyone accepts it. In the U.S. it is the law that you accept it, and people that don't or those that try and issue competing currency end up in prison. The point is that money must be managed as there really is no absolute value to it. All economies are like this, including Eve's.




Considering I give them money, yes I trust them to provide a game where I can play. The second I don't like it, I can pull my sub.

It;s like the argument that a player will make about CCP's sub base- "Devs wont change it because it will affect subscriptions" which is folly because devs and marketing are 2 separate entities with different priorities and are unrelated.

Not to mention CCP's business model is, quite frankly, none of our business.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2013-05-21 14:17:41 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I'm sure CCP can figure out how to add some value to PLEX for people that buy it with real money and at the same time keep the "grind time" for those PLEXing their accounts to the same level that it is now.

They can give people gold ship paints, or silly fruit hats for the character creator or something. Cosmetic stuff that doesn't mess with the economy, but gives "value." I'm not against that. Heck, I might buy a PLEX to get a fancy fruit hat. Or cat ears.

But I'd quit the game for good if it gave me a normal Megathron.

Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I think the model would be better if it was a bit more equal, or even a bit shifted to giving players who pay real money for the game the advantage.

All trolling aside, that's not a good idea, for obvious reasons.


Why? because you would leave if you didn't have an advantage? Eve is a game about competition and interaction with other players. That process is limited when relative power levels are too far apart. If CCP moves them closer together then there will be more interaction.



Pay to win is a last ditch effort to reign in final subscribers to encourage microtransactions for a dying company/game.

Not a valid business model for a healthy system.

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LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#160 - 2013-05-21 14:29:35 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
If PLEX was at least 1bil, I'd buy it for real currency and sell if for ISK.

But crappy 500m ISK is not worth it imho.


stupid stupid, there are some really short sighted people posting in here, if the price of plex reach 1 bill that could only mean a few things.


  1. Less people are buying plex to pay for their accounts (could be real world related)
  2. Ingame inflation (your 500 million of stuff is now worth 1 billion)
  3. Less people are buying plex to sell ingame (Could mean less of them are playing or they have less money in real life)


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