Player Features and Ideas Discussion

...and then travel back 60km so you can engage your drones? Sure I guess, but again thats dps lost which is what we're trying to avoid.

Yes I have with every weapon system except blasters and drones are by far the slowest isk/hour. Maybe you were better at it than I was but I didn't find it very fun due to the micromanagement and having to replace so many drones. Having that option be the Amarr's "mission option" isn't really fair since the average pilot probably isn't skilling up the drone route over lasers to begin with, then they're handed a drone/missile boat with a neut bonus.

So, in fact, you prefer lasers, regardless of anything else. That don't mean amarr pilots who like drones shouldn't have anything don't you think ?

I think it's perfectly fair to call it unfair, the few Amarr pilots who train drone/missiles as new pilots now have an option sure but the other 95% of new Amarr now don't. Those few already had an option and it was called the Gallente, I agree with you there. The Apoc/Abaddon are perfectly mediocre once you can Scorch it, but try and mission fit an active tank with mega-beams with non-Level 5 fitting skills and make sure there aren't any guns in the house.

Those laucher slots were really useful. I used them to balance PWG and CPU use. Also to gain tiny bit of ewar guard. I know its very little but the fact that one of your highs does not take cap nor get tracking distrupted.. Also to have even little more damage versatility.. It all helped.

When it comes to missions its also about the ships and yes also lasers. I know many do not agree with me but I was really happy with optional launchers in the ship hulls As I already stated it gave flexibility in fitting (reduced PWG -> more CPU intensive), reduced cap use, not vulnerable to tracking distruption, and damage versatile. Taking this option away was really big shock to me. I had liked to see more missile slots for Amarr because they really provide Amarr ships with flexibility they need.

What is also so silly is that virtually all races can go cap immune tank with some hulls with passive shield tanking. Every race except Amarr has also at least one weapon system that is cap free. This makes Amarr too vulnerable to their own EWAR in comparison. We have problem with TD because lets face it you can't really counter NPC TD, there is easily 2-6 TD ships in one wave so you just can't. Countering CAP neut is possible but its very difficult with all fitting reqs. In comparison Caldari can easily push 1-2 sensor backups to counter ECM. For Gallente its more difficult but still possible. Minmatar in the other hand even don't have serious EWAR that really bothers you at all. In comparison Minmatar all flexible in damage type, tank, usually the ships are easy to fit so you can counter ECM/dampening when you want.

So the problem is that Amarr ships don't flex they are vulnerable almost anything, their fitting with current rules is very challenging. You could basically counter one EWAR type you would need to drop more than other races need to do in comparison. TD is nearly uncounterable. Yes thanks to new Geddon we now have 2 weapon systems that do not get hit by it but that does not fix the problem. Just makes lasers more obsolete they already are.

as a side note, I decided to test out a Centum A type med. repper on an abaddon fit, and basically your taking advantage of the improved cap stability to throw on repper rigs to balance out that it's not as much hp/s repaired as even a large T2 repper, so it's really just half a dozen of one 6 of the other at that point, and for a higher price tag.

PLEASE improve ammar cap. IT SUCKS. It makes me want to cross train something else.

That is a common mistake, people think it is like this because they didn't look closer at the mechanics. The only problem is that you can't kill the spy without getting room agro if you do it with your drones(90% web + turrets, Legion frig ownage or using missiles works just fine). If you keep the drones at passive and focus on the groups, doing the spies last you can use drones without any issue in this pocket.

Marauders with the 90% web bonus are actually pretty effective at using sentry drones at close range(one of the biggest advantages of the Kronos).



The key point is, you don't have the cap to keep a T2 large running and the medium will give you more HP per point of cap spend. The trick is to use a rep speed imp, that improves it. It ends up as 200 dps vs 260 dps tank for halve the cap used. Similar ideas are around quite a long time on raven and cnr fittings, even on the Vargur or Maelstrom undersized boosters are incredible good choices(because they free up fitting or give you a relative cheap and still good tank). On a Golem for example, the reason why you fit a pith A large booster(that only costs 100M in Jita) is not that you need the 500 DPS tank it produces, it is because you can actually spend halve your cap mwding around in a mission, reducing torp range issues to a minimum and still utilize 900 dps tank with heat to shake off any damage you receive once in range with 3-4 boost cycles.

The abaddon got one big drawback and there are a lot of ways to get around this(faction mods that use less cap, or even faction guns to free another slot while losing 5% dps if you have large puls spec 5). If you go the extra mile to get around them, it is basically on par with faction BS and T2(puls Abaddon vs puls NM/Pala) and this is actually quite a bit more than other T1 BS can archive.

Someone did the math earlier in the thread, basically it was removing 50% cap use and giving back 30'ish if I remember right, so it's still a nerf to an already difficult situation.