Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem isn't entirely with Scorch it's also because the alternative's to Scorch are incredibly bad. No reason whatsoever currently to tear out your hair trying to make a rack of Mega Beams fit and able to fire for a reasonable amount of time and Tach's are beyond hope of fitting. Until these problems are solved Scorch will be their only option.

Once beams are fixed, I agree Scorch needs to be looked at especially when a Napoc can bring them out to 90+km which I don't expect to survive the laser rebalance.

My apologies. And not only medium railguns looked at, I think medium range turrets in general need some love. And while yes, the Rokh can use large railguns, you're talking 1 Battleship out of 6 that can make some decent use out of railguns. The Megathron sort of can but it's stuck in that "Why Mega when Rokh" gray area.

As for the ABC comment, I personally am for a slight nerf to the entire ABC line. I like the thought of moving them to a T2 BC version so that their cost is higher. While not a balancing factor, it would really increase the appeal of battleships, because the choice becomes less obvious. But that's a discussion for a different thread.

I think Conflag crystals should work more like Void (yeah I know a lot of people hate void but whatever). Void has extra range over Antimatter and increased DPS with a tracking and capacitor drawback. With how conflag works currently, it's just slightly higher DPS over Multifrequency with no other benefits, but all the downsides.

Conflag actually hits considerably harder than multi on any target where EM resistance is higher than thermal(what means most omni tanked armor targets). Void is actually a good ammo on caldari ships with the optimal bonus, since the optimal bonus and the higher optimal of Void give you nearly puls laser ranges. If you do the same with conflag and a optimal bonused amarr hull, it would easily outperform multi crystals and probably gamma for most uses.

First off: If you include drones then you have to include Amarr too, now, which means either your point is irrelevant or your point only applies to half of the Amarr fleet, half of the Gallente fleet, half of the Caldari fleet, and then all of the Matari fleet. As opposed to your exact quote "Just fitting EM / Therm resists alone resists ships should never trump an entire ship line up and their weapon of choice when everyone else in the galaxy can just change ammo." which is obviously what I was pointing out isn't true. And if we don't include drones, there's still the fact that Hybrids (Caldari/Gallente) are affected by the exact same thing in regards to Kin/Therm. The natural resists of armor aren't as high but they're higher than em/therm on shields. So. Yeah.

Secondly, yes, you are expecting (a little) too much out of the ships. A Megathron isn't cap stable running its guns + mwd (it gets an extra 30 seconds or so over the Abaddon depending on skill levels) but the principal is the same. The problem is that the Abaddon isn't cap stable with just the guns running, where the Megathron is. I can see it gaining some cap stability (either through regen or laser buffs) but I've always seen the Abaddon as a really nice battleship despite its capacitor issues. And judging by its popularity, others have too.

And the point of taking away -1% armor resistance is?????????????????

The strength of the Armageddon as a neut boat comes from the drone damage. Unless you're specifically finding the extra range the killing factor, the 600 GJ/sec is somewhat...misleading. An Abaddon, or Domi, for instance, can neut the exact same amount- actually the Abaddon can neut more.

The bonus is only to range- so how useful would you say that bonus is?

I can see this being useful as kind of a "soft point", if they're capped out, they aren't going anywhere. The Geddon just has the range to make it a serious thing.

But seeing as how you give up any and all turret damage to do this, I can definitely see the drone strength translating into overall making a better neut boat.

Well only winmatars can change damage type. They should at least add a few more T2 crystals with shifted damage stats. Currently Scorch L does 36Hp in EM, and 8Hp in Therm damage. I suggest adding "Something" L crystal that will do 8Hp im EM, and 36Hp in Thermal, so lasers have at least some damage shift options (it's still EM/Therm as it should stay). It probably wouldn't be too much of a buff since damage type stays the same but it will give some options. Same goes for hybrids, altho lasers need more balance in cap department and i leave that to CCP to figure out

Yeah, and the Abaddon gets over 8,000 EHP on Armor before rigging and fitting, and will still be higher after the changes considering the Megathron is losing raw HP at the same time the Abaddon loses a bit of resists. Also, the Megathron is NOT cap stable with MWD + Guns + Cap Booster 400s (and will be even less so with its guns now firing 25% faster than previously). If you use 800s then yes it is, so we're both right there I guess (and yes the Abaddon will be devouring the charges). With the cap booster charges the Megathron will get an extra 90 seconds of capacitor life, and that's quite a bit of cap. Although I honestly have no idea what possessed you to put Discharge Elutriation rigs on the Abaddon to increase capacitor life when Semiconductor Memory Cell rigs improve the capacitor life better when MWDs are factored in, and don't cause excessive PG draw.

Now I'm NOT saying the Abaddon is fine where it is on cap. I just don't see the necessity in making every Amarr ship cap stable with lasers. You have Guardians (arguably better than the Oneiros), use them. I can see a need for laser cap levels to need some decreasing. Mega Pulse Laser IIs suck up 3.6 more cap per second than Neutron Blaster Cannon IIs, which is a pretty heavy draw, especially on an 8 turret ship. Lasers get the advantage of incredibly good DPS (about 12 less DPS per turret) at a much longer range than blasters using "equal" ammo types. Lasers have vastly inferior tracking, however, and I can certainly see the need for laser draw to be reduced.

I just don't see the need to make the Abaddon stable with a bunch of equipment running. Other battleships can't, so why yours? Just reduce the cap draw of laser turrets slightly and it brings the ship much more in line with the rest. But I don't fly Amarr Battleships much, I stick to the cruisers and frigates, so I am slightly unaware of the severity of certain issues (yet at the same time I get a decent 3rd person perspective of the situation)

No one is asking for it to be stable, but a ship that uses weapon system that drains so much cap needs a capacitor advantage. All i want is the possibility to fit it without wasting 2 rig slots on "i can fire my guns" rigs. And this would be the perfect time to do so because with the resists nerf if they buff the capacitor enough so you can drop one rig even if you fit a trimark in that slot you will have basically the same EHP as before the nerf (~1-1.5k more). And new pilots that dont have 5 in cap skills and controlled bursts could get some use out of it this way.

On cruiser level (ships that you do fly and are probably basing all this on them not on the actual battleship class that the rest of us are discussing) Amarr have a big capacitor advantage. For example Maller has 14.6 peak cap regen, Vexor and Thorax have 12 and 11.7. Abaddon has 21.3 peak regen, Hyperion and Megatron 20 and 20.3



10 seconds more when mwd is on, 2 min less when it is off. And they cost 20M more. That is why everyone uses discharge elutriation rigs. You obviously dont fly Amarr battleships, what are you doing in this thread?