EVE General Discussion

In fact i stopped farming FW mission after dominion patch, i have still several millions unused lp, so removing mission would benefit me more, still it is not any solution to make FW any better

I have pointed out in several post why your ideas are not really good and working ideas, but still you insist that i am troll.

Your ideas are not quite unique ones , these same kind of ideas has proposed last 3 years.

Hopefully someone will come out with new fresh ideas.

Did anyone from csm indicate they had any position on what they would like in fw?

why would they - they are all null sec. . .

Read some of the old blogs that were release pre-/post Empyrean Age and you'll see that missions were intended to be the fuel for the mayhem in FW .. and not a bottomless wallet for anyone with an alt.

Example Blog: War is a full time job

The only way that will change is if we (read: everyone that is not me) give up the ridiculous notion that PvP and PvE must be kept completely separate at all costs. An example of how they can be tied together can be seen on page 20 (post #386).

FW missions have been there from the beginning. but people started to do those after that buff, main reason why people did not do those before was that if you did not complete mission you will lose faction standing, so penalty was too high to take risk for most especially when you have only 12 hours to complete those missions.

Because Ankh cried that people should get good rewards being in FW , CCP removed standing penalty and boosted LP shop.
Still people are not willing to do boring plexing, even thou CCP made all changes they asked for to make good income on militia career. You got your paycheck but you do not still want to do your job.

You proposal could work but if it contains any possible exploitable elements some one will abuse those.

How i see you change will go is that some dedicated group will get all boost for lp and rest are just crying CCP to nerf them.

One more reason to make mission alt for every militia

This is what I was gonna say but instead of typing it myself I'm just gonna quote someone else. Buff FW ffs

Maybe if enough people ***** about not getting fixes to FW then maybe ccp will listen? Yea proby not lol

It seems that quite a few of you are either misinformed or down-right ignorant. So, allow me to clean up the discussion about Faction Warfare just a little bit.

FW MISSIONS ARE NOT AN ISK FAUCET IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I know many of you are preparing your arguments for that fact, but stop. Just stop it.

After running 16 FW missions (8 level 3s and 8 level 4s) my wallet increases by about 25-30 million isk. That is one hell of a faucet, right?

Again, your argument is in the process of forming, or you've already managed to blurt out the "but LP" portion of whatever malformed inane ramblings you are about to spew blindly into the aether in the hopes that it will make you sound like you're not a driveling imbecile. Again, stop.

Loyalty points are the reward you get for completing any mission. In Faction Warfare, you get a significant amount more than a non-FW mission. I know you think that might not be fair, but look at risk vs. reward: every FW mission is a shining beacon that anyone (friend, foe, pirate or neut) can warp to or camp until they get bored. The ability for any and every person in the system to harass an FW mission runner is there. It is bordering on pathological to expect CCP to punish FW mission runners because people aren't taking advantage of that mechanic.

Now, your reasoning is probably going to say the following: an FW mission runner can amass 150k LPs in under two hours, and then sell a tier 1 faction BC for 300mil isk. That is a huge faucet that CCP needs to limit! (I've heard that argument numerous times, and even the skeleton of it in this very thread.)

To that argument, I can merely say: No. Stop it. You are confusing lumping any method of making money into the category of "faucet". Stop it. The only thing that selling loot from the FW LP store does is move existing currency from one player to another. At most, the "faucet" would be the 20-30mil isk the player is given, spawned out of nowhere, for completing the mission.

Gathering 1.5 million LPs, enough to sell 10 faction tier 1 battleships, could earn a militiaman more than 2 billion isk, yes. That is true. But, 95% or more of that isk was already in the game.

So, let me sum this up. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the payouts of FW missions, and the risk vs. reward balances out. No significant amount of isk is added to the economy by running FW missions, and you can not hold it against FW mission runners that other players aren't harassing FW mission runners more often.

So, stop it. Stop bleating and neighing about nerfing FW missions. If you have a problem with their ease, CCP has provided you with the easiest method in the world of making it more difficult: by telling you that the mission is there and letting you swing by to say hello.

I don't think you've really been reading this thread at all. Allow me to clean up you're understanding of what the debate is about.

The argument is not that FW missions some how act as an isk faucet and affects the economy. The frustration over mission rewards is that they are easily farmable - meaning people join Faction Warfare only for the LP, and not for the PvP fights and fleet opportunities. The count of pilots who are actually active in PvP and the total number of alt toons enrolled in FW is very muddled.

Those farming LP to take elsewhere don't contribute anything to FW, except for providing bomber killmails.

I agree with your assessment that the challenge is making the mission public, and I don't oppose missions being either public (on the overview) or lucrative. The problem is that they are easily farmable in a bomber, instead of small gangs. The enemy AI sets up the mission reward system to be abused by a minimally skilled alt.

If you'd been following the thread, you'd realize that most are not asking for a flat out nerf, they're asking for the payouts to be moved to the completion of PvP objectives, or for the mission challenge to be stepped up so that they encourage gang work, not solo bomber work. Gangs of non-cloaky ships running missions means way more dynamic pew pew than the slicers chasing hounds you see every day.

Please take the time to read about what actually matters to the community, instead of acting arrogant like you know so much better than all of us.

This discussion is in no way about adding too much isk as a faucet. Its about FW being a farm for LP, instead of a framework to encourage fleet gang warfare. LP rewards and their sale are how we stay equipped and geared for our PvP battles, so when outsiders farm the items and water down the market, the people actually using the rewards for FW pew pew are hurt in the process.

Think of someone who wanted to live in nullsec alliance space and run sanctums all day, but always logged off the minute there was a call to arms - how welcome would such a pilot be after long?