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New dev blog: Introducing New Nebulae into EVE

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#101 - 2011-11-03 19:15:03 UTC
Boltorano wrote:
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:
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4) EVE Gate (not the site, the system): Due to logic, which I expect ZERO logic when it comes to video games in general, I would surmise that a system that is enveloped in a cosmic Anomaly would thus be visible OUTSIDE said anomaly? Would this be the correct assumption?

5) Some regions of space are, on the star map, appear to be more populated than Empire space. See: Curse and Wicked Creek vs Khanid and Kor-Azor. How will these systems be represented?


The EVE Gate is located on the far edge of the New Eden solar system, not in the EVE Gate system, just to be pedantic here.

As for #5, are you trying to suggest that nebula are actually caused by human activity and thus there should be logically be more in more populated areas as a result? It's not spaceship smog, this stuff was there long before we were and will remain long after we're gone.

Also, Kor-Azor in particular probably has TRILLIONS of more people than Curse, in terms of population down on the planets.


No, he's referring to the density of stars on the starmap.

Even so, New Eden is not only just the stars we can go to. There are countless more thousands of stars, most of which are unexplored. I wouldn't be surprised if there are no stargates to the stars that don't have planetary systems. No reason to build a stargate there.

Katrina Oniseki

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2011-11-03 19:22:01 UTC
Cool - is the great north star going to make a re-appearance?
Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2011-11-03 19:24:07 UTC
Confirming that this change makes me happy. One other thing I'd love to see in the future and I think a lot of others would like too, is dynamic backgrounds. Space is an ever changing place. Stars sometimes explode, pulsars beam their spotlights across the celestial tapestry, black holes sometimes emit powerful jets when they are feeding on matter. Comets rocket their way through the solar systems. You get the idea.

To see these things occasionally happen would be so badass I cannot even describe it fully. Even seeing entire gallactic disks in the background or along the paths of stargates would be awesome, too. If these sorts of stellar spectacles where to happen every once in awhile and be fleeting moments for people to see and say "Holy crap man! Did you see that supernova in the distance?!? That was friggen wicked! It would be truly memorable.
Kat Sheen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2011-11-03 19:26:54 UTC
It's "fora", not "forii". "forum" is a neutral noun.
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2011-11-03 19:29:54 UTC
Backgrounds? In My Eve? WTF is this!

Stuff Goes here

CCP t0rfifrans
C C P
C C P Alliance
#106 - 2011-11-03 19:33:23 UTC
Komen wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Dark space in my EVE, I approve whole heartedly. Now all that remains is for you to make it so, that the star significantly dims when you get further away from it within a system. I'd like to feel that I'm flying inside an actual star system at great speeds and moving large distances, instead of moving within a small room with a single static lightbulb in the middle of it.


Yeah, solar intensity reducing as distance to star increases.

Make the out-system really dark and lonely. Then add more glow to all those windows (viewports, energy channels, whatever they are) on the ships.

At 40 AU my Megathron oughta look like something out of the deep sea, glowy highlights picking out a dark mass.


Improving the general light model in space is on our long term roadmap. The efforts to apply version 3 of our shader ( V3 ) onto everything is a stepping stone towards that. We want the nebula to cast faint light onto the objects. We want soft bonce light from the surface of planets bouncing of stations, customs offices and ships near it, in the same way you see the soft light of Earth illuminate the underside of the ISS, Mir or the space shuttles. We want asteroids to pick up the nebula light as well, explosions to illuminate nearby ships and space objects, and to have space get more dark the more AU you travel away from the sun. With over 300 different ships, tons of space objects and asteroids, this work is being done in increments, starting with the V3-ing of ships. We know that someone standing on the surface of the celestial object formerly known as the Planet Pluto would see our sun as a faint flashlight far away in a sea of stars. We want to do this! it just takes some time.

Oh and warping the nebula cubemap, it didn't work that well when we tried it internally, it looked pretty fake and distorted and broke immersion. We played around with it years ago, perhaps we can try some new methods, but simply moving your point of origin inside the virtual sphere made you see that it's a flat backdrop very quickly.
Integra Arkanheld
Andorra Paradis Fiscal
#107 - 2011-11-03 19:34:15 UTC
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CCP t0rfifrans
C C P
C C P Alliance
#108 - 2011-11-03 19:34:29 UTC
Markarian Aurelius wrote:
Confirming that this change makes me happy. One other thing I'd love to see in the future and I think a lot of others would like too, is dynamic backgrounds. Space is an ever changing place. Stars sometimes explode, pulsars beam their spotlights across the celestial tapestry, black holes sometimes emit powerful jets when they are feeding on matter. Comets rocket their way through the solar systems. You get the idea.

To see these things occasionally happen would be so badass I cannot even describe it fully. Even seeing entire gallactic disks in the background or along the paths of stargates would be awesome, too. If these sorts of stellar spectacles where to happen every once in awhile and be fleeting moments for people to see and say "Holy crap man! Did you see that supernova in the distance?!? That was friggen wicked! It would be truly memorable.

You can actually see the edge of the Galaxy when you are in the darker regions of New Eden, like losec and zero sec.
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#109 - 2011-11-03 19:39:53 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Markarian Aurelius wrote:
Confirming that this change makes me happy. One other thing I'd love to see in the future and I think a lot of others would like too, is dynamic backgrounds. Space is an ever changing place. Stars sometimes explode, pulsars beam their spotlights across the celestial tapestry, black holes sometimes emit powerful jets when they are feeding on matter. Comets rocket their way through the solar systems. You get the idea.

To see these things occasionally happen would be so badass I cannot even describe it fully. Even seeing entire gallactic disks in the background or along the paths of stargates would be awesome, too. If these sorts of stellar spectacles where to happen every once in awhile and be fleeting moments for people to see and say "Holy crap man! Did you see that supernova in the distance?!? That was friggen wicked! It would be truly memorable.

You can actually see the edge of the Galaxy when you are in the darker regions of New Eden, like losec and zero sec.


Does that mean that there are actually OTHER galaxies other then the EVE Galaxy? :)
who shat themselves
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2011-11-03 19:45:53 UTC
With EVE, whenever you look at an ingame screenshot you get the general idea of when it was taken just by the resolution/quality of the background nebula

And these look amazing

Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#111 - 2011-11-03 19:47:31 UTC
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Markarian Aurelius wrote:
Confirming that this change makes me happy. One other thing I'd love to see in the future and I think a lot of others would like too, is dynamic backgrounds. Space is an ever changing place. Stars sometimes explode, pulsars beam their spotlights across the celestial tapestry, black holes sometimes emit powerful jets when they are feeding on matter. Comets rocket their way through the solar systems. You get the idea.

To see these things occasionally happen would be so badass I cannot even describe it fully. Even seeing entire gallactic disks in the background or along the paths of stargates would be awesome, too. If these sorts of stellar spectacles where to happen every once in awhile and be fleeting moments for people to see and say "Holy crap man! Did you see that supernova in the distance?!? That was friggen wicked! It would be truly memorable.

You can actually see the edge of the Galaxy when you are in the darker regions of New Eden, like losec and zero sec.


Does that mean that there are actually OTHER galaxies other then the EVE Galaxy? :)


yes. eve is set in a fictional future version of our own universe
Rixiu
PonyTek
#112 - 2011-11-03 19:50:21 UTC
Here's the good old CCP, promise :awesome: but deliver "meh". The granularity need to be finer, having entire regions with the same backdrop is worse than we have now since there's some variation. I'm looking forward to seeing this on sisi, maybe it's just some unfortunate wording...
Pharuan
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#113 - 2011-11-03 19:51:38 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:
Cool - is the great north star going to make a re-appearance?


I completely forgot about that! Good times.
Kai Lomu
Cube Zombie Consortium
#114 - 2011-11-03 19:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Lomu
CCP Guard wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans tells us all about the new nebulae in his latest dev blog. And he's got amazing pictures to go along with it!

Enjoy!



Looks fantastic; can't wait to see in action.

p.s. One thing I've always wanted to see in systems is binary systems/tri-star systems, neutron stars, pulsars etc . Like the wormhole effects, perhaps a neutron star would do interesting things to shield harmonics andwhatnot. All these single vanilla star systems are great and all but a little variety would be nice!

Just occured to me (hence the edit) - Quite a bit of player interest in increasing size of EVE universe from time to time. Perhaps the introduction of binary star systems each with own planetary bodies in orbit would be a way of increasing complexity and scope of each system without having to add new systems altogether? Just a thought...
Sneaky Neko
Invalid Input
#115 - 2011-11-03 19:55:50 UTC
Russell4 wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
CAN you make the original nebulae available as backgrounds for our desktops?
+1, C'mon CCP, tht would be awsome, surly you can agree? Blink

Another +1 for awesome desktop backgrounds Big smile
Hawks Eye
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2011-11-03 19:56:53 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
You can actually see the edge of the Galaxy when you are in the darker regions of New Eden, like losec and zero sec.


Wow.


This has been a long time coming. Great job, guys and keep it up! I look forward to getting out there and seeing the universe reborn!
Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#117 - 2011-11-03 19:59:19 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
You can actually see the edge of the Galaxy when you are in the darker regions of New Eden, like losec and zero sec.


Any way you can tell me a particular system I could see this effect from? I'm not NOT an aspiring RPer on this subject... /cough
CCP t0rfifrans
C C P
C C P Alliance
#118 - 2011-11-03 20:07:27 UTC
mkint wrote:

edit: also, is jove space getting new nebulae?

Of course, both regions.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2011-11-03 20:15:03 UTC
Will region gates fire their lazorz at the destination nebula?
CCP t0rfifrans
C C P
C C P Alliance
#120 - 2011-11-03 20:17:01 UTC
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
Markarian Aurelius wrote:
Confirming that this change makes me happy. One other thing I'd love to see in the future and I think a lot of others would like too, is dynamic backgrounds. Space is an ever changing place. Stars sometimes explode, pulsars beam their spotlights across the celestial tapestry, black holes sometimes emit powerful jets when they are feeding on matter. Comets rocket their way through the solar systems. You get the idea.

To see these things occasionally happen would be so badass I cannot even describe it fully. Even seeing entire gallactic disks in the background or along the paths of stargates would be awesome, too. If these sorts of stellar spectacles where to happen every once in awhile and be fleeting moments for people to see and say "Holy crap man! Did you see that supernova in the distance?!? That was friggen wicked! It would be truly memorable.

You can actually see the edge of the Galaxy when you are in the darker regions of New Eden, like losec and zero sec.


Does that mean that there are actually OTHER galaxies other then the EVE Galaxy? :)

Well yes, and ofc EVE is set in a tiny fraction of the galaxy it occurs in. Our galaxy is thought to have 200-400 billion stars. New Eden is 5000 stars. So traversing New Eden actually retains a somewhat fixed point of view onto the disc of the galaxy.