Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Have you checked the phoons mass? seems a bit high for an attack battleship im sure theres a typo in there
oh i also made a attack battleship thread if you would care to take a look

What do you think about the slot layout on the tempest, specifically the 5 mids and 6 lows? Any chance of making it more shield orientated with 6/6 mids/lows and +200 cpu so that it's more able to unleash it's dps?

If not, could you increase the power grid and drone bay significantly please, fitting 1400mm's with something reassembling an armour tank could make it at least stand up to the Phoon or Maelstrom at +medium ranges?

This is a reasonable question, I feel.

Dear CCP rise. The tempest even with a slight boost to speed (That I fear you wil linsist on keeping it slower than typhoon) would still have no place.

It does less damage than any other of its peers on the normal engagements ranges (up to 24 km that I considere the mos timportant ranges for non long range guns).

COmapre your new fleet temepst proposal to your fleet typhoon. The typhoon with 6 turrets and drones outdamages the tempest ... and still keep a suprior slot layout!


A double damage bonuses ship with 6 low slots trying to be a fail armor tanked ship is just FAILED!

For it to reach what you called a bigger brother of the hurricane it would nee dto be FASTER than the typhoon. Keep that in mind FASTER. It deals less damage, has worse tank slot layout, worse drone bay. It cannot compete !!!


Its simply a failed ship with current bonuses and being kept slower than typhoon and megatrhon.


The extreme of falloff range DOE SNOT MATTER! Because as some have already prooved, before 40 Km rails megatron already outdamage AC with Barrage. And that not even factoring the superior slot layout of the .. well of ANY battleship over the tempest.

THis horrible slot layout with lossign an entire ship bonus to compensate for its 1 less damage mod and 1 less turret does nto compute! Specially coupled with a SMALL drone bay!

Thank you for the feedback Rise. I'm looking forward to seeing the new changes which you decide for the Tempest. As I expected the transition from Combat to Attack has not yet been fully completed so glad to hear we are on the same page when it comes to that.

I think a damage boost is much needed, as others have pointed out the Typhoon is doing phenomenal damage right now, and with both the Maelstrom and Tornado out damaging the Tempest in both Alpha and Sustained dps, the Tempest is lacking in this area I feel.

As Pattern pointed out also, the PG and CPU levels seem to be a relic of the pre tiericide ships. I'm having a lot of trouble fitting the Tempest with the current PG and CPU levels, and I expect it is perhaps the same for the other ships.

(EDIT) Also the drone bay being only 100m3 was a major thing that people were complaining about here, you could have told us it was 125m3 earlier! :)

Hey Rise,

I think the main problem with the tempest is that with the current stats, it isn't focused to anything. It is the worse brawler compared to the mega/hype, it's use as a nano med range BS takes kind of a hit if you make the other BS also a lot faster while reducing the damage at range with the TE nerf and in general it lacks something that it can do better than other BS to be a useful option compared to them.

If you look at it a bit, it basically comes down to two major options, armor artillery platform for fleet fights or nano med range BS. While you might not make everybody happy with gearing the tempest more towards one of the roles, it will be something necessary to bring it up to the same level as the other BS.

As a armor artillery platform something like this would be nice:

Tempest(armor tanked fleet BS)
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+7,5% bonus to Large Projectile damage

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 5M, 7L(+1); 6 turrets , 2 launchers
Fittings: 17700 PWG(+2200), 550 CPU
Defence (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 7000 / 6500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5800(+487.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .12 / 101000000(-2300000) / 16.81s(-.37s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 50(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 72.5km(+10) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 21 Ladar Sensor Strength(+2)
Signature radius: 340

With the higher damage bonus, it can archive a useful level of alpha with a armor tank, similar to the maelstrom with 1 or 2 gyros less and it got enough grid for the job. While the maelstrom will still have better EHP\dps\alpha in the end, the Tempest got the lower sig, extra utility and can be reasonable armor tanked without reducing the alpha and dps to much(quite like gallente ships). The extra damage would also help for solo and small gang pvp, making it a more desirable option compared to the higher speed of the phoon, the higher tank of the maelstrom or the BS from the other races.

Patterns design with the falloff bonus and the extra med would also be very nice as dedicated autocannon platform. You could even split the roles with the T1 and faction BS bonuses, similar to what you did with some other BS. The stuff you did write about the fleet pest made me think you wanted to make the navy pest a very good armor fleet platform.

And we have a winner. I couldn't come up with anything either.

Not that you can fit 1400mm's +ANYTHING in those high slots.

Damage and the slot change.

Would make it a strong AC boat without makign peopel comnplain its a too powerful arti boat because you would still have to squeeze tighlty to fit it.

I wouldn't mind so much, while I would probably like 6 med slots plus falloff Tempest a bit more for my personal play style, both are good options. Even the armor themed tempest can be shield tanked, with the extra low for speed and the extra dps to negate the lower falloff, it isn't such a bad alternative.

Edit:

Ah my bad, did read this wrong. As for choosing between power grid, damage bonus and slot change, it would be the higher damage bonus with the slot change, since you still could archive a artillery fitting with a power grid rig, at expense of some tank. The only other thing the extra power grid would be useful for would be 800mm + active armor tank and given that CCP want to promote it with the changes to gallente, armor reppers, armor rigs and the resist bonus, I don't really think it will be a big problem.