EVE Fiction

You are making a very interesting topic here! I also always wondered where WH systems truly were...

Personally I always though they were inside the New Eden galaxy, close to K-space systems, but being unaccesible through stargates due to special natural phenomena in their areas. Their exact location in the map is the big question, and what you're discussing here.

A while ago, I made a topic asking for new environments and nebulae, showing more defined places rather than just a random, beautiful background. It seems the CCP art team is working exactly on that :D (I'm refering to the YouTube video you posted here). Looks like they want to show a very specific environment to certain regions, showing them from various angles and distances. What I was talking about in my topic is that there are many regions, which are said to have very specific lookings and to be unaccesible, which look like empty voids on the map. If we'll be able to see those regions from the surrounding systems, and we recongnise them from WH systems like they said in the video we could, then we'll see if those WH systems are, in fact, located in these empty holes in the map...

Here's my topic:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=138173#post138173

Another thing I wanted to say is the following: the in-game map covers a very, very small portion of the galaxy. There are million of systems inside any galaxy, so there's room enough for unkown ones ;)

That'ssomething I forgot to add and that keeps making me wonder. In WH space, any astronomer (specially in the EVE times) should be able to say 'Hey, that's Jita and that's Rens' or such. Unless those systems are really far away, or they're so inside nebulae and other disruptive environments that keep astronomers from getting accurate positions.

Sometimes I think that, as this game is in continuous evolving, this is a subject CCP didn't think much about and the beggining and will be 'updating' and making deeper soon.

Just to throw some more data points onto the table:

All systems in-game have the same star-box. So that could be assumed to be OOC. (i.e. It's not made accurate enough to be an in-character evidence.) Same with the current (old) in-game nebulae.

Since there is no way to actually map out the WH systems in-game (even we can argue to have triangulated it out, we have no idea where is "north"), the map pictures I have posted within this thread will be strictly OOC. The JHHMMSS times will therefore not be any directional pointers in any form of 3D. It will be something else. Perhaps just a name, perhaps just a hint to the notion of "time", or perhaps even just an RP pseudo-directional system that we cannot actually decode.



Agreed. Also good find.

And I disagree.

I like this puzzle game and the pseudo science it involves, if not only because it allows me to use my real world knowledge on scientific methods and apply them on my hobby. In fact, it is pretty much the only thing keeping me interested in EVE which apparently is the major goal for these live events.

I would hate if some wannabe scientist could RP their way to results that are unantainable through normal gameplay.

Of course, I only speak for myself and am likely in minority.

I actually thought we were at the end of the tunnel a while back.

But as it is still possible for me to uncover new clues within the game I have dismissed that thought for now.

In spirit of the PhD, I have run the data you provided through a correlation analysis and the locus identifier (minus the 'J' prefix) has no significant correlation with either region, constellation, solar system, class, x- y- z-coordinates, radius or sun type, so whatever the "locus" refers to it appears to be most certainly none of these features.

And I agree on your stance that pure out of game sources does not work well as in-character information. I doubt that CCP has an expert on genetics or ancient south American native cultures hired to write their fiction, that is why I too doubt strongly when people argue based solely on out of game information. I have seen one wikipedia article too many.

EDIT: A few more statistics; class correlates significantly with x- and z- coordinates, but not with radius or sun type. Sun type correlates strongly with radius and just significantly (P=0.0476) with the x-coordinate.

This was what I meant earlier :P I should have elaborated and explained what I meant without making everyone watch the whole video, so thanks for clarifying :)


Also, some very good points were raised here. One of which I wanted to point out with my own view:
We should use in-game tools and items to try to piece this mystery together. Oog stuff is good too, but Oog stuff shouldn't be used to solve an issue when in-game evidence or limitations can go either way. We don't want to "fill the gaps" with "frog dna" (Jurassic park). But we do want to push the envelope. This is why I think the nebulae thing will be very exciting. We've been trying to figure out some kind of map/pattern for these WH systems for a while now, and here CCP comes along and says "We can give you an in-game mechanic to help". Arguably, this isn't just for us WH folks, but it is still pretty cool.

This is why I love CCP. For their in-game, EVE-enriching content and atmosphere. (Also why I believe the Nex store is horrid- but I won't get into that)


Jowen Datloran: Thanks for running the correlation analysis. I was wondering if you could clarify what you meant by "no significant correlation with either region, constellation, solar system, class, x- y- z-coordinates, radius or sun type". Was that an analysis on a per-system level? or the entire K/W-space clusters?
Example 1: Nothing is related to anything within the analyzed system itself.
Example 2: Nothing is related to ANYTHING in game (that we can see), things such as the EVE gate, Jove space, etc..

When I suggest RP I still expect to run through the scientific process, not just for example, say "I find Jita, Rens, Amarr and Dodixie from my wormhole using a telescope and calculate the WH systems position". Instead I mean something similar to what Cave did but leave the final conclusion (or better raw data) to a GM event actor to deliver. The primary reason being we cannot be sure where the results are governed by pragmatism of the developers vs, intended lore.

Regarding correlation I mostly agree, but I did find a very slight correlation between the X position and wormhole class. This is partially to be expected we 'know' the higher class systems are further out. However the big issue is still the XYZ-position most of the rest of the data dump are OOC and dependent on that same pragmatism-intentional dichotomy.

Here is the data in Google Spreadsheets.

Locus Signatures

wormholeMapData (I've added a few working columns, the 'reduced' sheet excludes the three anomalous Locus Signatures).

J01226-0
J01259+0
J01340+6

Most recent dev blog said WH space will NOT be getting new nebluae, but the reason behind it was because they were so new, so they could get the same treatment in the future, but it's a dead end for now.