Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You do realize that no one, absolutely no one, uses lasers on hulls with no bonus?

The Hyperion lost gun dps, it now has 9 effective guns instead of 10 (10% bonus for 6 guns and 25% bonus for 8, do the math) losing it's primary form of dps for a drone and utility high isn't worthwhile in my opinion. Imagine if the abbadon lost a gun for a larger drone bay, would you call that a buff? Also tge hyperion has at least, if not more cap being drawn from it since it's meant to be active tanked, unlike the abbadon which can take.much more damage because of it's resist bonus even with the slight nerf. Dominix op? Ha, like it takes a lot of thought to target and destroy the drones first, which will only at most be 3 flights, which now has a pitiful amount of gun dps to support the drones with. We're more or less agreeing on the megathron, which despite it being meant to be a less dedicated gunboat than the Hyperion (hence the attack designation) yet it lost something that most people liked about it, and overall dps with all skills at V and t2 heavy drones.

Yeah, that extra low for a magnetic field stabilizer and the fact that in any fit now even with no AWU at all those 9 guns are gonna be Neutron blaster cannons dont make up for a loss of a turret.

It's too ingrained in the player base that the Abaddon is fleet-only, solo need not apply, so I've somewhat lost hope that they'll make it any more accessible for solo play. That is unless CCP wants to resolve the "problem" that is Arty Abaddon fleets.

I'm more confident that it'll come to the Apoc once CCP sees that no one wants to fly it. "Hmm the same fitting issues as the Abaddon but 2 inferior bonusses??? Sign me up!" Lets all fast forward to the first Odyssey patch and propose they make it useful now instead. In my opinion, change it to 6 turret and 10% dmg bonus instead of the worthless-at-range tracking bonus. This will kill two birds in making the Apoc useful and giving the Amarr line a useful low-SP fitting ship that is also mission-capable.

And as Avald mentioned, part of my original posts was that this would also help reduce the prevalence of alpha doctrines since they'd be less willing to take advantage of the Abaddon's resist profile to push 1400s with it.

Obviously it is intended since it is there and the guys who put it there can remove it any time they wish.
As for Apocalypse has the best cap comment, having marginally better cap is not the same as having a cap advantage.

And in Hyperion and Apocalypse cap comparison you should know that those values are with 0 skills. And capacitor skills work as percentages.

On cruiser level Amarr have almost 70% more peak cap regen. All battleships are around 20GJ/s peak cap recharge and Apocalypse has ~20% more.

Currently Amarr are the only race that on battleship level has huge cap and huge fitting issues. No other race has those problems almost at all. And Amarr battleships are not more powerful than other races counterparts or they would be used more not less. Even if the capacitor of Abaddon was buffed so considerably that it actually can drop one discharge rig and put trimark in there its ehp with resistances nerf would be the same as it is now.

And those new Armageddon fans that suddenly emerged please give me some examples of its neut range bonus awesomeness since i really cant see any.

Are you so sure?



I repeat Amarr ships are like cheese, full of holes and taste good. As the developers intend them to be.

All the BS changes are underwhelming, but yes, Amarr were hit the worst.

Initially, the concept was that Amarr get the laser cap use bonus snd tremendous fitting requirements, so other ships couldn't fit or use them on their hulls because the" weapon mods" of lasers were - so to speak - built into the turret, becaue their design philosophy made it impossible to fit enough weapon and cap mods at the same time.

The cap bonus made them usable on Amarr hulls only and things were fine.

In 2004, people started whining that lasers were OP.

That may have been true if one disregareded the fact they could only be fitted on Amarr hulls who coherently lacked one entire bonus except for the one making their guns only usable on their ships. Thanks to being the purest Armor-tanks and laser fitting requirements, it was obvious they wouldnt be able to fit any damage mods or end up as glass cannons as a trade-off.
Shield-tanking wasn't really an option for their T1 linup either.

CCP gave in and brought Lasers "in line" with other turrets, completely diregarding the original design philosophy, thus nerfing their ships into Oblivion for a decade to come (yes - not quite yet, but soon™).

Moreover, the Amarr sub-BS T1 has always been weak whereas Minmatar have always been strongest in lower level ships. The Guerilla insurgents fighting in small, versatile ship vs "The Empires" Battleship lineup, whereas the Empire lacks proper cheap ships makes sense from a lore perspective.

Amarr BS were quite viable for a long while, despite their main wepon having been nerfed to death.


Nowadays, lasers were 'brought in line' with other weapon systems *cough*, whereas all Battleships have completely declined in importance, cause "bigger is not better" (okay - fine - but why does it cost more then?) and eveything sub-BS has been buffed into oblivion.

I have crosstrained years ago, not regretting a single day of it, but actually flying an Amarr ship again would have been fun after years of exclusively flying Minmatar/Angel.

I hoped that occasion would reoccur enventually - unfortunately, that's not the case in this expansion - maybe in ten years...

(hey - one may still hope ;)).

Edit: Oh - and regarding the last couple of posts: Who gives a **** about PVE? It's an irrelevant constant influx of isk, stupidly easy with any kind of ship.

@Meghel and @Ashlar Vellum

I am not very amused by your behaviour. Actually if CCP as entity lets you to go on this stupid theatre. And don't start forum controlling I promise to you that both my accounts die. And that my characters fly into bit space so deep that they never come out of there. If you are devs this is really immature and disrespectful behaviour. If you are a player you give the idea that you might be dev even you do not say it it seems rather obvious.

So CCP do you let such idiocy continue and people mock the community, how is it?

Why does the apoc need a tracking bonus?