Player Features and Ideas Discussion

14 sec flight time is still too much.

with max skill it is 21 sec flight time. totally worthless. Reduce the flight time to 10 sec and give more speed to the missile it is what is needed. waaay more.

To show you an example: I do caldari missions right? so that gives me a lot of npc ecm. I launch my missile to the enemy ship, which is usually 60 km away before my missile could hit, I'm ecm-ed and my missile which should have hit the enemy ship, possibly destroying it, does no damage at all, because I lost my lock. whats the point of the huge flight time if such things can happen?

Well, just the other day when I did a mission, Gurista I think, the thing happened just the way I described. An information box popped telling me that my missiles could not reach its target because the lack of lock. It wasn't because my target was killed. It was how I perceived the phenomena

lol, for a second I thought I read "... they come in peace"

if you say so. it was just one example btw.

that is the point. why would i need 150km range? when i could just warp foward? t2 long range cruise would be perfectly fine for the long range. more velocity is what we need.

yes around that number i cannot recall exactly. but with scripted sensor boosters you can have 200+km target range.

You miss the Point CSM-Guy. Missiles were always fine for PvE. Its not the dmg we need, we need a better dmg-application for PvP. Did you even read the previous posts? Seems not otherwise you would know, we are looking for a PvP Solution and not for a PvE Solution.

The Current changes are crap, worthless like defender missiles. You may now do more dmg but it wont solve the overall problem. As you already said CSM-Guy it took 7 years for CCP to do something about Missiles, dont except them to do anything else in the next 5 years for the missiles. If we dont speak up now, we will be ignored again.

As Malcanis said, this is incorrect.

What DID happen is that you activated your launcher and launched the first batch of missiles.
Thats all fine and dandy.

While this batch is flying, you get jammed and loose your target.

What happens NOW is that your launchers shut off because you do not have a target.
That is the regular occurance and is completely normal.
You will now get a boxed message stating that your launchers deactivated as you do not have a target

The missiles in transit are still flying and will hit the target.

Don't knock the CSM, not their fault that they are forced to drink from the same Kool-Aid fountain as CCP employees. Ducks in a row and all that.

Damage is irrelevant, application is everything.

Adding a ton of damage and then adding a bit to exp.radius will just make them god-weapons against cruisers and up at ranges where Torps previously held the field .. Torps will be limited to bombers and BS slug-outs (rare!) and cruise remain utterly hopeless beyond 50km .. cannot design a system to only work as intended under TiDi, and those are the only conditions where cruise will ever get to use their range.

Only upside is that TP's may see some general use again ..

Alternates (previously suggested):
- Install MJD in Cruise missiles and reduce flight time to achieve 80-90km (+100km from MJD).*
- Let Cruise go after nearest locked target should target at which it was launched decide to bail.

* I just want to see a horizon full of engine trails streaking out of miniature cyno-jump animations as missiles materialise and accelerates

Your assumptions are silly (not using skills at V, ABing Typhoon, wtf?). It seems what you've actually proved there is that Cruise doesn't have a damage application problem, as a full-speed Typhoon will receive, by your own numbers, 92% of EFT damage from CN cruise.

In any case, you didn't bother to apply these damage application percentages to the raw damage numbers, or to consider issues of ship fitting etc. As analysis goes, it's poor.

I'm fairly happy with Cruise Missiles with the buff - for PvE. For PvP they retain the problems they've had for years, and I don't think there's an easy way of fix them that doesn't just turn them into another type of gun.

Torpedoes, on the other hand, need a fix. They take too long to deliver damage, despite having terrible reach, and are ridiculously poor at applying damage to anything smaller than a capita ship. However, because they are a short range system, reducing the flight time doesn't require making them stupidly fast. A simply 50% velocity increase fixes the range and much of the time delay in one simple buff. A slight buff to explosion velocity and radius would go some way to fixing the other issue (and if that makes DPS on battleships and BCs too high a slight reduction to the base damage would fix that).

It seems fairly clear to me that CCP is not, at this time, going to be considering a radical overhaul of missiles, so any fixes proposed should be straightforward and not too big.

That makes sense. Now if I think about it maybe I did not see a change because it did not penetrated the said npc-s shields, and I was in jam long enough it to regen it`s shields fully.

Well, that is good info thanks for putting things in perspective.

I still think though that missile flight time is too much and missile speed is too slow.

Thanks anyway