Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What is the point of relying on the alpha (Even though the rof can be nice) when you can field Tornados? Just doesn't seem worth it for its bonuses alone when I look at it that way. That's because the tempest doesn't seem suitable for any other role but sniping. It probably can do close range, just not as efficiently as other ships of its class.

Yes, not much left to say now really except to rehash over old ground. I am waiting for CCP Rise to release something soon. It would be nice to get some response. I think we can all agree the Tempest in particular needs a little more, particularly considering the new price tag and how it is still inferior to the mael and typhoon. Perhaps the Typhoon needs to be bought down a jot also as is looking very powerful. Obviously I would like CCP Rise to follow my proposals exactly. ;) But even if not I'm hoping some further tweaks will be made, particularly for the Tempest.

I think I explained the definition in the post above ^

To reiterate. Basically, the Tornado can snipe, but when the opponent starts hitting you back then the weak shield and armour means it is going down fast. Ie, a sniper hits it's targets without them getting a chance to hit back.

I differentiate that to kiting in that you are still using range as a method of mitigating your opponents damage, but not mitigating it completely. Ie the opponent is still hitting you back, but you are using your range advantage to hit your opponent back even harder. This is where the Tempest's role lies.

Even with the higher HP values, you shouldn't be fielding one or two tempests for small gang warfare anyway. Lets be serious, The tempest is not that fast, when compared to a battlecruiser. If we are talking outlasting in fights, battlecruisers can do that just fine, There are some situations where a tempest can be good, however those situations other ships are just plain better. The Apoc will be ridiculous, the Raven is now better specially given that cruise missiles are getting a buff, and the megathrone is still really good.

Those ships can outlast a tempest easily, you can put a decent tank on them, what are you going to do with a tempest? Armor tank? there goes your speed and damage. Shield tank? There goes your MWD use and cap or any sort of ewar/sensor boosting. Regardless of what you do since your obviously not going to tank the ship. When the enemy can shoot back, the tempest won't last that much longer than a tornado, specially if you have few tempests on the field. Even then it depends on what you're shooting at. Which reduces the usefulness of having one greatly.

No I'm not talking about ridiculously faction fitted tempests with implants either.

At this rate, I can see Ravens, Megathrones, and Apocs destroying the tempest while surviving its alpha.

Umm have you seen the tank on the Raven? Not only is it weak, the ship is slower than armor plated ships.
The sig radius is that of a moon.

They still apply damage like crap. You must be talking about the phoon, because it is better than the raven and also a minnie ship.

Hmmm, Im lost. The Tempest can have the same tank it has always had. Which of course is not much.

If your shield tanking Ravens for PVP then your doing it wrong.

No seriously, Armor Tanked Torp Ravens... Funnest thing around. You know it will go slow, so work with that, mids with plenty of good stuff... MWD, 2 Painters, point, web, Cap booster.... that was of course with neuts in highs, but now... move some stuff around and have fun


But still...

Time to cancel accounts again.

I hate people who troll about the Raven, when the Ravens position is a serious issue, Armour on a Caldari Ship is F U C K I N G sacrilege, you should be ashamed of yourself :P

But yes its time 1/3 of the eve community stop buying plex and unsubscribing accounts to make CCP wake the f u c k up and listen to the community.

Why wouldn't you be able to shield tank a raven with 7 mid slots? =/ I'm curious.

Well are you trying to Jam with a raven? It's not like you need tracking computers, at most a couple of sensor boosters and a warp disruptor. maybe an MWD Idk with 7 you have plenty of slot usage to fit combat mods and shield mods. I could see ASB's going on this ship and a couple of mods, and since cruise missiles are getting buffed, you don't need target painters since you could do just fine with cruise missiles.

Either way, the Raven has more potential than a tempest at this point. There's just more situations a Raven can be used in after odyssey, I don't see the tempest going very far.

Why couldn't they come up with a stealth role, or an Ewar type role, or an all out damage platform similar to the Hyperion. The tempest doesn't have a role with this current set up, it's classified as attack, but it doesn't "Attack" it "snipes" Its not a get in close brawler. If you wanted to make it an attack, you should change the slot layout to suit that role, its a paper battleship it won't last long in a fight.

You're right the Tempest didn't change, that's the problem, other ships did change for the better, the tempest stayed the same, but was classified as an attack battleship. But we both know the tempest has no tank, it is not meant for close up fights, it snipes. Its a paper battleship, fleets have used them in the past for long distance engagements. Now the tempest is just worse in it's role thanks to the new changes, meaning price increase and tracking enhancer nerf.

Edit:: I'm not posting quotes because I'm trying to be nice to people who have to scroll down a lot =p lol since im posting right after you.