Ships & Modules

Along with the pretty stinkin' awesome Gnosis that everyone got in their little present boxes today, the Naglfar also got an extensive tweak to its weapon setup, and its high slots in general. I am seeing no threads about the changes to the Naglfar, except ones that are pre-patch. So I am going to roll the dice and ask if the Naglfar is "fixed" now and can compete with the other dreadnoughts.

I do know that it suffered from awkward weapon splitting issues before and became very unpopular as a result, but being a ship that was vertical before being vertical was cool, and now that the launchers are gone and its a projectile only platform, I am asking dread pilots if it would be (in their opinion) worth training for in the future. I am already drooling to get into my first Tornado, and the idea of being able to sit from extreme range while I ruin everyone's day with shells the size of frigates is just too cool to pass up.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

Is it better? Yes. You can get the same DPS albeit more consistently (lol citadel Torps). You also have free slots in the lows that you can devote to cap stability or whatever you may fancy. It's an ad hoc change as I believe that the art dept will add a third turret and all the caps will get a much more extensive balance pass. I also personally wish they had just fixed the citadel missile weapons as I feel a bit more of the Minmatar soul has been offered up. On a personal note I now have a lot of useless citadel missile skills.

I like how in the same change where they acknowledged that cap missiles were terrible by removing them from the Naglfar...

They also removed the turret from the Phoenix.

Yeah... that would be like throwing good money after bad. No thanks.

New Naglfar is awesome.
~2k more dps makes it really competive with the other Dreads.
Also ~100k Alpha with 3500mm Cannos makes a new champion of blapping Dreads.
Also the use of only two Turrets with the damage of three reduces the ammunition need and allows to shoot more often with shiny faction bullets.

Naglfar never was bad. Selectable dmg types, second best dps and capless weapons.

Back then, when i got my missile skills up, i upgraded my Moros into Naglfar. Personally im going to miss those Torps.

This change makes races more homogenous.

Dps just went up by almost 50% of what it used to be. Tank is still somewhat lacking though but meh.

Doesn't slot into the common WH PVP fleet compositions as nicely as the moros tho.

Spoken like a true clueless idiot!

Voila!

3x damage mods, Siege II - all 5s.

Rev: no reloads, fast ammo change, low space requirements for ammo - 8k dps with MFreq
Moros: highest damage - 11k dps with AM
Pheonix: capless weapons - pure damage type, superb range, kinetic bonus - 8k/6.5k scourge/other torps
Nag: capless weapons - near pure damage type, lowest range. - 8k various mixes

The new Nag will likely put out 11-12k dps with less pure damage type selection (the torps helped in that respect) and range wize, will be worse dps application. Falloff sucks.

Phoenix isnt that bad with its amazing range, but its low low damage when not using Kinetic, and it cant hit anything moving. The Nag used to be atrocious - no benefit from 'Uber Training time' and meh damage application on moving targets. With Phoenix. if theres a resist hole in a POS then it can only win if its HUGE and either EM or Explosive, or farther than 30k. Shooting across POSes at mods at range is really useful.

Im going with the new Nag being 2nd after Moros, a very close 2nd. Rev next (although no reloads helps applied DPS), then Phoenix last, but not necessarily always last, and range is good.

Nag and Arty is Juicy - 120k volley.

My thoughts:

-Buff citadel missiles
-Bring back the 5-high slot, split weapons
-Add 1 turret slot. (3 turret, 2 launcher layout)
-Swap the Capital Projectile RoF bonus to Missile RoF bonus
-Increase the bonuses to 7,5%


So there... Nag could work as 3turret, armor tank tracking dread or split weapon, shield tanked capital basher.