Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP

why does the Apoc have 20 cpu less than the Abbadon considering they both have the same slots/turret layouts?
Also geddon has 10 more cpu than Apoc even though it has one less slot.... any reason for this???

and the fallacy of this (comparing a short range weapon to a long range weapon) has been consistently pointed out as a flawed basis to begin with as well.

And this is exactly why I have been suggesting some similar attention to the Abaddon, it's been broke since creation outside of large fleets, and nothing they are doing is fixing that.

Neutron Blaster II's require 1.62 cap per second to fire whereas the WORST and lowest cap Amarr beam weapon requires 3.9 per second and have 8 guns versus 6 to fire. Were Amarr designed to not use a MWD or active tank or are they just shoehorned into not whereas the Gillente get their ships updated with larger caps and lower turret count?

Hey, just look at the Apocalypse capacitor before saying all gallente ships have better cap when it's only the Hyperion which have a friggin awesome armor repper bonus.

Well the need to mwd around the field is serious lessened if you have 45km or more optimal. If you count in mwd, guns and rep you can see why the hype tent to use dual injectors just to keep going. Amarr active tank mostly come down to single rep with good resists or hybrid tanks(active rep + plate) making the cap requirements a lot more manageable. That isn't a bad thing if you consider the build in EHP advantage, that also offers additional time get rep cycles done if you face high dps.

I think it all comes down to racial difference. The abaddon can have a very good tank, very good dps and a very good range all in one fitting for the use as a excellent gang ship. The hype on the other hand has to drop dps and range to get a good tank, has to drop the tank to get high dps and burns even more cap once you are actually forced to make use of the higher mobility at the expense of raw combat range. They are both kind of designed in a way that they can't run forever and will be crippled under neuts to balance them against the other hulls.

I keep saying megapulse while meaning megabeam. Not sure why. But the original statement understood that megabeams was the comparison to 425's, not megapulse.

For once, you and I are in agreement. Active tank bonuses are, logically, one of the weakest bonuses possible, just because of their inherent and total lack of scalability.

A while back I even argued on the resist thread that the fact that resists overshadow rep bonuses isn't a problem, because reps are such a fail bonus that they should be removed from the game entirely, and Gallente and Minmatar as a whole be given real bonuses finally.

And once that would be done, there would be no outliers to have to balance active tanking modules towards, so those could finally be rebalanced properly as well.

Amarr always had more armor than gallente and in many cases a extra low at expense of a med slot(at least in the old racial design), so if you use armor as the tanking layer you will come out on top with the EHP(even if in case of gallente this advantages is lessened by the extra hull hit points).

I fail to see how you could have equal EHP if both hulls got 7 lows, the Abaddon got 500 more armor and the resist bonus. Also the resist bonus increases the gains from a plate, the active tank bonus doesn't. A hybrid tank does use less cap because it uses less reppers, that get more cycles done because they work against a bigger buffer and in most engagements if you don't trivially out tank the incoming dps, both setups pull similar numbers of damage taken on killmails.

Also a active hype is not a good gang ship, people preferred the mega for this task. The abaddon is a good gang ship because it doesn't have to relay on a active tank, the resistance bonus works for all fittings, the active tank bonus doesn't.

Try counting in the mwd cycles you do in a single pvp engagement with a gallente BS, and multiply them with 720 cap. Actually even if you only need to move 20km(3 cycles) it takes 2160 cap away from you. That is quite a significant number and in most engagements, you will need a lot more cycles than this.




Being crippled by neuts was a designed vulnerably in a time where we had nos acting like a neut plus giving you the extra cap till the target is completely depleted. The abaddon got the best ehp/dps/range balance of all T1 BS as it was introduced and the hype was designed around the idea that it could replicate the performance of the outdated dualrep mega in the hey days of blaster pvp. The days where megas went 1400m/s everything got halve the EHP, EHP tanking was mostly worse than active tanks, Nos feed active tanks and the mega was like a nuke to any T2 active tank once in range, even if that was vastly based around state of eve that had passed already.

Also I fail to see how being weak against neuts is a bad thing, given that we have the curse/pilgrim, utilized the abaddon as pure neuting platform and now get the geddon designed to take advantage of this shortcomings.

Where so damn OP, we carry our own neuts to suck ourself dry just to be balanced.
Hell yeah i like beeing balanced :)