EVE General Discussion

I just wanted to underline this bit of tin-foil hattery. Did you ever stop to think that maybe there is a difference between people caring about how you play and people commenting to you that how you play is something they find to be boring or cheap. Can you even discern the difference in the two?

It seems to me that you are simply seeing that which you want to (and that which fits with your per-concieved notions). It's a very paranoid way to exist really.

Back when I played Mechwarrior 4 , people called me a "Brawler" and some of them suggested I just didn't like the way that snipers played. It was non-sense, who really cares about any of that. I thought some of the long ranged weapons were overpowered (even now, thinking the words "Clan Extended Range Large laser" makes me itch lol), but it was jsut amazing to me how much some of those players PERSONALIZED every comment I would make as if I were somehow going to come through their computers, snatch their keyboards and physiclally prevent them from sniping.

If you can't take criticism of your non-conformist way of playing, you should either conform, stop playing or stop caring about what other people say.

When unable to form a cogent counter argument, the loser will usually start with ad hominem logical fallacy (attack the person rather than the argument) .

This is frequently followed by strawmanning (construct something that may "look something like" the original argument, but is easier to destroy).




In this case, not even a particularly good straw-man.





Here we see a variation of the True Scottsman logical fallacy. Attempting to define your opinion into truth. You attempt to define EVE as a game with the sole aspect of being about non-consensual PvP, and nothing else.

And yet, CCP has gone to great lengths to assist those like me, that want to minimize our PvP interactions. They give us high sec, CONCORD, sec status, no insurance for suicide gank, ability to place bounties, sell kill rights. They buffed the tanks on exhumers. They give us NPC corps to allow us to escape war decs.

Yes, we can always be suicide ganked. However, CCP has constructed game mechanics designed to keep that to a minimum.

AND, along with non-consensual PvP come non-consensual-non-PvP. You can suicide gank me. I can make that unprofitable for you, and ensure that the only way you will ever get a kill of me, is the suicide gank.

I can't make you not gank me, and you can't make me come out of station and fight when it won't be a gank situation.




Show me a complaint I made. I was simply explaining why some people hate solo play styles. They think they should be able to force me to come out and fight. THEY complain about things like NPC corps, that let me go on playing the game while ignoring them.

It is the people that demand the removal of NPC corps that do not understand what EVE is. It is a game designed and built to accommodate MANY play styles, where I can't prevent suicide gank, but you can't force me to fight in a non-gank situation.





And yet, it was reiterated again at the most recent fanfest, that CCP considers solo play to be a legitimate play style that they acknowledge and support.

Did you ever think that maybe we don't care what you think about our play style?

You find my play style to be boring and cheap? Well, go play against someone that plays the way you enjoy playing against.

I.e. You want to PvP? GOOD FOR YOU! Go PvP against someone that wants to PvP, and stop coming on the forums to whine about all the things that allow me to play in a way that you don't like.

You can't FORCE me to play the game, so you can't FORCE me to play it in a way that you enjoy playing against.



Oh.. but those guys that play the way you enjoy playing against... they're good at PvP and you're as likely to lose as win.. and who wants that? Better to come to the forums and whine about how easy it is for the suck PvPers to avoid being your victim.



You say I'm the poster child for victim hood? Why? Because I'm winning! The game lets me play the way I enjoy playing... while you are forced to come to the forums to whine about how NPC corp game mechanic is denying you all the easy kills... WHAAAAA



Loser!

So i guess you missed the other 2 elements of what I said (ie stop playing if it bothers you so much or stop caring about what other people think about what you do?

But yea, since you have a problem with the idea, I'll tell you, conformity (by choice) is an option.

I have chosen to conform to how things are in real life and in game many times, at other times I've chosen not to for my own reasons.

The habitual non-conformist like you, on the other had, just finds stuff the he can non-conform to (lol) simply so that he can feel like some kind of rebel.

EVE has many of you types, people who don't really like EVE and really would like games like Star Trek Online (no real death penalty, no non-consensual pvp, and a game that celebrates solo play and makes all interactions consensual), but who chose to keep playing EVE (a harsh non-consensual pvp game) because here they can be the edgy non-conformist solo rebel fighting against the forces of injustice and Goon-tyranny.

Just tell the truth about yourself, then i won't have to do it for you lol.

And now you lying again. When did i say EVE is about one thing? The non-consensual pvp aspect of EVE is universal yes, but it is not all there is to EVE.

We need a new name for this, i'll call it the Tarawa Fallacy lol.



None of whcih changes the nature of the game. until weapons magically stop working in High Sec, EVE is a non-consensual pvp game



Underlinded the part that demonstrates that EVE is a non-consensual pvp game.




Show me a complaint I made. I was simply explaining why some people hate solo play styles. They think they should be able to force me to come out and fight. THEY complain about things like NPC corps, that let me go on playing the game while ignoring them.

It is the people that demand the removal of NPC corps that do not understand what EVE is. It is a game designed and built to accommodate MANY play styles, where I can't prevent suicide gank, but you can't force me to fight in a non-gank situation.[/quote]

Show you a complaint you made? Do i really need to dig up your own posts where you kept saying EVE wouldn't die if High Sec were made perfectly safe? Your whole speil on here has been about how much you dislike pvp, no one can make you pvp yadda yadda.

Eve has featured non-consensual pvp since day one. You started playing after day one, and yet you seem to HATE a core aspect of the game. Yet you keep playing, but somehow, people like me who don't pvp but accept the nature of the game are the wrong ones?

You're beyond incredible.




And who said solo play isn't legitimate? Can you read?

It's so easy to get your goat.





You totally miss the point, don't you.

No one messes with me in game, because I use the game mechanics provided by CCP, along with my own casual play style, to minimize the opportunity, profitability and likelihood that someone will bother.

I'm playing a game that I enjoy playing, in a way I enjoy playing it, while denying kills to people that think the game should be about getting lots of easy kills from players like me.

Not only an I getting to play the game in a way I enjoy, BUT at the same time, I'm ruining your day by ensuring that you don't get to play with me in the way that you enjoy playing.

I then get to come on the forums, and rub your nose it in, while easily defeating your weak internets skills with my superior critical think skills.




Link a single post where I suggested that suicide ganking should be removed fro the game. You can't, becuase I've never done so.

It is a non-consensual PvP game, but the game also provides mechanics that allow me to minimize the probability of non-consensual PvP to the point that... well.... I've not lost a ship since returning to the game 9 months ago.





The problem is, I choose to play the game I enjoy playing it, rather that the way you want me to. And that angers you to no end.


Get over it. Stop looking at carebears as potential easy kills, and figure out a way to stop sucking at PvP so that you can actually get kills against players that are ready and willing to fight.



Yes, I'm baiting you. And you are soooooo falling for it.

I win, you lose.

The truth is that I think you are sponsored or approved by CCP and the Blob to stalk the forums and harangue any non - Blob player who even hint's that 'solo' is good.

Your carefully packaged language is always just a couple degrees below the max boiling point the Devs will allow. Your job is to derail any threads that you and your type (oh sorry -- using your language now - see - it's not nice is it) find remotely threatening.

Now we will probably be having a Dev come to your rescue .

Crap, CCP Soundwave, the jig is up they are on to me! Beam me out, BEAM ME OUT!!!!!!!!

*garbled radio transmission*

WTF you mean EVE doesn't have Transporters and that I should GB2StarTrekOnline? Damn it, screwed again. That's the last time i take a job spying for CCP.

But seriously Zen, if you can't handle the truth, that's not my problem. I'm from Texas, i call em like I see em, and I see em as they are.

You can always tell a Texan......... but you can't tell him much.

Am I the only one who has a boner for RiotGirl...


anyways,


The point of eve is to make it what you want. You can be the lone ranger, but you will find warfare a challenge, the story will keep you entertained though. You can become an industrial giant, with or without others. The options go on, but like any world, its easier to not go alone. Learn to make friends, despise your enemies and even more importantly, make the world your own.