EVE General Discussion

Only read the title, but everyone should, because it's an awesome experience.

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Next fanfest better be prepared for my drinking and cool and edgy memes. You've been warned.

Dude, I really appreciate your point of view, I really do.

However, everyone should visit FanFest? For many/most of us, EVE is a game. A product. A past-time. To give you an example, last night instead of logging into EVE I logged into Team Fortress 2 instead and had an absolute blast. It's as simple as that. And in this economy, not a whole lot of folks have the money to travel halfway around the world. Frankly, with my travel and recreation money, Iceland would be right on the bottom of the list of destinations I would ever visit, FanFest or no FanFest. No offense, I'm sure it's a lovely place, but being in Canada I see enough snow as it is. Now, if they held the next FanFest in Maui, maybe then...

Your insight about sloppy old code keeping EVE back? It's nothing new. And it's the natural law of the universe. If you write sloppy code at the start, and then build a lot of other code on top, eventually it will collapse. You don't build a skyscraper on a quicksand foundation for the same reason. They did it, more than a decade ago, and they've been paying for it ever since. Good example, a year or two ago one of the CCP folks said they can't change the drone rate of fire because of the way it is coded in the game. That's an excellent example of how not to do things. But they did, and drone users have to deal with this crap every day. Like after 10 years, drones still split damage on multiple targets with focus fire option enabled. But whose fault is it? And maybe, just maybe, instead of playing around with random stuff they should take the time and rewrite the old code?

Also, and I say this from a loving place, as producers of content they're really slow. Not Blizzard-slow, but at least when Blizzard finally spits something out it is extremely, insanely, obsessive-compulsively polished and working smoothly. Unlike EVE content that takes 3-4 patches after the fact to finally bring the new feature up to semi-working condition (see UI disaster of last year). For the number of people they have, they're moving very slowly, resulting in "expansions" that lately can only be called a patch. Compare Odyssey to either Trinity or Apocrypha or some other older expansion. There's no comparison. Why? Probably Dust and WoD. Dust isn't breaking any records in popularity as far as I know, and WoD is still in vaporware state.

OK, I admit that I probably played EVE more over the last 10 years than any other MMO. But best MMO out there? Hardly. Many MMOs did many things far better than EVE. From UI downward. How can you call EVE the best MMO, when you can't even change the FONT in the UI, or the FONT SIZE beyond 4 pre-set sizes? For a game set in 2013 that works beautifully on huge screen or multi-screen setups, this alone disqualifies it in any "best of" contest. You're just so used to it you don't notice. But for any outsider, this is LAUGHABLE. I've SEEN people, in real life, sit down, try to read the walls of text that new player experience still shoves in their faces, go into options and try to make the font bigger or more readable, only to realize this is impossible and quit.

Doesn't need a sequel? It already is a sequel of sorts. Remember Trinity? TOTAL tear-down and re-build of every graphics asset in the game? Yeah. Name me an MMO that did that, without calling itself a sequel or at least a v2.0. Go and look up what the old EVE looked like, graphically. And tell me it would still be alive today if they didn't totally overhaul it back in 2008.

Don't get me wrong, EVE is a decent game. I wouldn't be here if I thought it weren't, would I? But best? Doesn't need a sequel? Excuses for decade-old poor coding practices and slapped-together mechanics that are held together solely by bird droppings? Come on. This game has sooooo much unrealized potential it hurts.

If you think the game is so awful, then (as the tradition demands I must say): I can haz your stuff, before you biomass and ragequit?

Still... my question remains :p

I plan to be around for EVE's 20th anniversary.
So if you can wait at least that long...

Not feeling terribly inclined to fly that far. :P

For many people the term best doesn't mean mechanically, it means the experience they get from the game. Yes, Eve has it's issues with code and UI, but there is no other MMO that gives you the experiences that Eve does, on the scale that Eve does. That alone is enought to subjectively call it the best MMO for them.

You need to remember there is a difference between subjective and objective, and a lot of people simply go off their subjective views. For me Eve is the only MMO that really is worth my time, so it is the BEST MMO for me, font, UI, bugs, warts and all. Objectively, Guild Wars 2 is better, but I lose interest in it after a month or so and meantime I'm playing Eve all along.

It would be hard to come up with a believable reason for why I would be randomly traveling to Iceland. Without looking like a complete nerd for flying across the world to go to a convention about internet spaceships.

Glad to hear you enjoyed Fanfest; see you next year!