Science & Industry

Looks like all Ice Anomalies and Ore Grav belts will be found by using the onboard scanner... no skills needed...

Dunno whether the scanner will auto activate on undock or whether you have to go and hit the button yourself.

once you undock, if there's an ice anom, you can warp straight to it.

no fuss, no mess.

pretty much.

You are mistaking anomalies for signatures.

Anomalies have a high signature and can be detected by simply hitting the on board ship scanner. You scan the system and you get every anomaly in that system in a list. you can warp to any one of them. You do not need probes, you do not need scanning skills. every ship in game, even shuttles, has an on board ship scanner than can detect anomalies.

What you are thinking of is Cosmic Signatures.

Cosmic signatures will not show up on a regular system scan. you need scanner probes and the skills to use them to increase signal strength to even get them on your list. Then you need to use probes to narrow down the location, until you have a 100% signal lock. Then you can warp to the site.

Gravameteric Sites are the cosmic signatures where asteroids and hidden belts are found. They are among the hardest sites to find. (i.e. the lowest signature strength.)

What this means is, in the current system grav sites are much safer to mine in than static belts (the ones that show up on overview) As they are not easy to find. Not only do you need to use probes, but they are the hardest signals to narrow down. The hidden belts that spawn in upgraded null sec systems are gravametric sites. the larger they are the harder they are to scan down. 90% of null sec mining is done in these belts.

As a result of this anyone who wants to hunt down a null sec miner not only needs to equip a probe launcher, but have decent scanning skills as well. Many null sec PVPers do not want to sacrifice the DPS to equip a probe launcher, so it is not so common for a PVP roamer to bother to look for a null sec miner. Because of this mining in null sec can be done confidently with the only major threat being ships with probe launchers. You can see the probes on D-scan at least 30 seconds before they get a lock on you giving you time to warp out if you are paying attention. It is this small layer of safety that makes null sec mining viable and profitable.

Most of the coming changes for Odyssey will only add to the complexity of industry. Not necessarily pushing industry into null sec, but at least making it more viable and profitable for those that chose to make that move. This is all good.

But then we have a change that Nerfs the hell out of NULL sec mining. They plan to remove all asteroid belts from gravameteric sites and make them anomalies.

In high sec this will have little impact. Gravametric sites are not common in high sec, and static belts can be mined without a high level of risk. Those more experienced players that actively search out those belts for higher profit, will be hit hard by this. As now every noob and their brother can instantly find and warp to these more valuable belts with no effort required. Thus removing the advantage gained through putting more effort into the occupation. But still not a big deal in High Sec, as you can still safely mine in the static belts.

In Null sec there is no concord to protect you. No amount of tank will save your mining ship. Once tackled you are dead. The only thing tank will do its add a couple seconds to how long it takes to kill you. No need for a gank Talos that can kill you in 15-20 seconds before concord shows up. A well fit frigate can tackle you and take as long as they want to kill you with no danger to themselves. Because of this null sec mining is too dangerous to be done in the static belts. CCP just does not seem to get this. Their solution to mining in dangerous space was the Skiff with its big tank. A useless ship. The Venture was a much better miner for dangerous space. It can get in and out without dieing.

Thankfully Sov null sec has hidden belts that instantly respawn after being depleted. These hidden belts are gravametric sites that take probes and skills to find, but are relatively safe to mine in once found. However, this change will effectively take those belts away. Sure the belts will still be there but as anomalies not Gravametric sites. These anomalies will no longer require probes or skills to find, but any roaming PVPer can instantly warp to them as easily as the static belts. a single click on the ship scanner and they have a warp to for every hidden belt in the system.

These belts will not be any safer than the static belts, they will just have better ores. If mining in static belts in dangerous space was worthwhile just to get better ores, we would have seen massive mining operations in low sec when the H&H low sec ores (Hedbergite and Hemorphite ) were the most valuable ores in the game. Even currently H&H are only beat out by Arknor. Since these ores are so valuable and only found in low sec, do we see massive low sec mining ops to get these ores? No we do not. Why? Because low sec mining is to dangerous. A 20% increase in profits is not worth an 80% let alone 800% increase in risk to your ship. The only mining that happens in low sec is in hidden gravimetric sites, because many pirates can not be bothered to scan them down.

By removing the requirement of the probe launcher and scanning skills from finding hidden belts, you are not only dumbing down the game for miners, but removing the the only mechanic that makes mining these belts safe enough to be profitable.

CCP Fozzie believes that this will encourage alliances to work together. That the PVPers will support and protect the mining OPs. Anyone with even a remote grasp of reality for industrial players in EVE will realize that this will not happen. At least not on a large enough scale to matter. PVPers hate carebears. this is a fact in every PVP based MMO I have every played. They will not spend there game time protecting carebears.

Yep they wanted to make mining in null sec profitable and viable to mine low-end ore....but with the changes to grav sites, they have all but exterminated mining in null sec. Now any afk cloaker or roaming frigate gang doesn't need a probe launcher to scan you down....YAY!....great job CCP

not just nullsec mining, with this change they killed low sec and wh mining ... after the patch it will be safer to mine in random belt at low sec then in anomaly

One thing that wasn't explained as far as I know is scanner range. Currently it is limited, but in Odyssey?

as far as i'm aware the anomolies have never been subject to the range constraint of the directional scanner. however, i could be mistaken.

refinery efficiency V, 2% refining implant, 50% station. easy.

64 au is still quite considerable, aren't many systems where you can't scan everything from the gate.

thanks for that though, didn't realise it did have a range.