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TiFF'NY
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-01 00:10:31 UTC
hello, i have been looking to get a carrier in the near future and have been doing lots of research trying to find out as much as I can. Is the nidhoggur really as bad as people say? seems like it would be alright for a logi ship for smaller ships, just looking to get some more info before I go and get one. also are they mostly armored tanked or is a decent shield tank possible? any info and advice would be great thanks.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-05-01 00:31:39 UTC
the problem with the nid is you cant tank it with the same type as you remote rep.

\So if you want to rep shield ships, you have to have a local armour tank and vice versa.

Sadly as I.. *shudders* likes the look of it.. gawd I feel so dirty saying that.

But it isnt all that bad, it reps a lot and is a boss at repping structures ^^ ok.. that isnt a good thing....

Hopefully CCP will fix it when they get around to carriers :) Even I want one.. ok.. now I need a shower.. dirty minmatar slaves..
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#3 - 2013-05-01 00:46:07 UTC
Archon is far and away the best carrier.
TiFF'NY
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-01 00:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: TiFF'NY
Dato Koppla wrote:
Archon is far and away the best carrier.


yes i understand it is, but I lack armor tanking skills and have relly strong shield tanking skills, so I am looking t see if there is a alterntive t the chimera or if tats my only choice

edit: also alot of pilots in my corp armor tank so that is also another reason iam loking for a alternitive from chimera
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2013-05-01 01:09:38 UTC
I think I remember reading a while back that it was a great suicide triage carrier.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-01 02:41:56 UTC
Archon for armour, Chimera for shield.
Either of the other 2 carriers is the wrong choice.

Actually, what i'd like to see done to address this is give the nid a local shield boost bonus and the thanny a local armor rep bonus.
I know local tanking isnt popular but triage carriers are the one place it's truly unavoidable so it should balance things out a bit.

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Guido Tye
RvB Industries
#7 - 2013-05-01 05:55:08 UTC
In true minnie style, everyones know the Nid needs its agility massively increased, trolling aside, it is a beautiful looking ship.
Alphaphi
KASK Heavy logistics
#8 - 2013-05-01 08:04:45 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
the problem with the nid is you cant tank it with the same type as you remote rep.

\So if you want to rep shield ships, you have to have a local armour tank and vice versa.

Sadly as I.. *shudders* likes the look of it.. gawd I feel so dirty saying that.

But it isnt all that bad, it reps a lot and is a boss at repping structures ^^ ok.. that isnt a good thing....

Hopefully CCP will fix it when they get around to carriers :) Even I want one.. ok.. now I need a shower.. dirty minmatar slaves..


you can both shield and armor tank a nidhoggur, and you can rep both as well.

i flew a shield nidhoggur with pretty good success.
Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-01 09:46:14 UTC
Look - use search - it will stop all of these (amd me) having to reiterate how duff everything carrier wise is other than archon.

The Nid is BADLY broken. It is good for one thing. POS repping. But not that good.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#10 - 2013-05-01 12:30:30 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Archon for armour, Chimera for shield.
Either of the other 2 carriers is the wrong choice.

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Flandre Scarlette
Boars on Parade
The Tuskers Co.
#11 - 2013-05-01 13:05:15 UTC
TiFF'NY wrote:
hello, i have been looking to get a carrier in the near future and have been doing lots of research trying to find out as much as I can. Is the nidhoggur really as bad as people say? seems like it would be alright for a logi ship for smaller ships, just looking to get some more info before I go and get one. also are they mostly armored tanked or is a decent shield tank possible? any info and advice would be great thanks.


You can tank the same as you RR...won't be very cap friendly either way though. I personally love the nid's design, but it's a bit of a black sheep among carriers atm...Archon for armor triage, Chim for shield, and thanny for dps carriers.

that being said, archon is recieving a slight nerf with the blanket resistance nerf incoming (5% to 4% per level), though that won't hit it too hard i imagine.

...yeah, minmatar capitals in general kind of suck right now, though i heard the nag with capital artillery will be the new fotm with the expo.
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#12 - 2013-05-01 20:07:32 UTC
Flandre Scarlette wrote:
TiFF'NY wrote:
hello, i have been looking to get a carrier in the near future and have been doing lots of research trying to find out as much as I can. Is the nidhoggur really as bad as people say? seems like it would be alright for a logi ship for smaller ships, just looking to get some more info before I go and get one. also are they mostly armored tanked or is a decent shield tank possible? any info and advice would be great thanks.


You can tank the same as you RR...won't be very cap friendly either way though. I personally love the nid's design, but it's a bit of a black sheep among carriers atm...Archon for armor triage, Chim for shield, and thanny for dps carriers.

that being said, archon is recieving a slight nerf with the blanket resistance nerf incoming (5% to 4% per level), though that won't hit it too hard i imagine.

...yeah, minmatar capitals in general kind of suck right now, though i heard the nag with capital artillery will be the new fotm with the expo.


Full on tracking dread FOTM, but the Moros is still king of the Dreadnoughts in that regards. Minmatar Capitals suck.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2013-05-01 20:43:18 UTC
I asked Fozzie and Rise about the state of the Nidhoggur and capitals during fanfest. The take away:
- The target utility for all carriers is just slightly under where the Archon is now
- The Archon needs a slight nerf (I'm assuming the resist nerf is the only one incoming)
- The Nidhoggur needs a major boost
- The Chimera needs a fittings boost
- They're fine with different caps having different roles (eg, archons/chimeras being better in fleet, thannys being better at damage, and nidhoggurs being better in triage)
- When discussing the Nidhoggur's severe lack of tank (being utterly unable to tank even one Moros, for example) the response was that the Moros is OP.
- Blap dreads (in particular, the Moros) are way too good at killing subcaps
- Fozzie spitballed changing the tracking formula to make sig more important, but said it's a long long long, long, loooong time away.

I might remember more, but anyone else who was there should speak up.

-Liang

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TiFF'NY
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-01 21:40:30 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I asked Fozzie and Rise about the state of the Nidhoggur and capitals during fanfest. The take away:
- The target utility for all carriers is just slightly under where the Archon is now
- The Archon needs a slight nerf (I'm assuming the resist nerf is the only one incoming)
- The Nidhoggur needs a major boost
- The Chimera needs a fittings boost
- They're fine with different caps having different roles (eg, archons/chimeras being better in fleet, thannys being better at damage, and nidhoggurs being better in triage)
- When discussing the Nidhoggur's severe lack of tank (being utterly unable to tank even one Moros, for example) the response was that the Moros is OP.
- Blap dreads (in particular, the Moros) are way too good at killing subcaps
- Fozzie spitballed changing the tracking formula to make sig more important, but said it's a long long long, long, loooong time away.

I might remember more, but anyone else who was there should speak up.

-Liang



thanks alot for the info
Gnadolin
Space Pioneers
#15 - 2013-05-02 02:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnadolin
Nidhoggur is the best carrier for ratting, because it allows two sensor boosters and 3 tracking links combines with bonus to shield and armor RR. This allows you to lock incoming frigatesfast enough to blap them with sentrys. Additional it has the best aligntime and base speed, wich will safe your arse in dangerous situations. Last But not Least it is superior in supporting stationary defence fleets independent of shield or armor tanking. Repping structures while shieldboosting your fleet is pretty awesome.
Thanatos comes second, trading Agility/Speed/Scanresofor better Cap&Buffer, wich barel makes a diffence. Archon has one room for 1 Sebo leading to painful locking times, wich is disgusting if encountering frigates. Archon also is far slower and has higher aligntime wich in many situatons is your death despite better tank. Warping your carrier away when a fleet lands on grid is hilarious. Chimera combines all downsides and puts fitting difficulties on top.
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2013-05-02 07:55:17 UTC
YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE A CYNO

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Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-02 10:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Retard
Gnadolin wrote:
Nidhoggur is the best carrier for ratting, because it allows two sensor boosters and 3 tracking links combines with bonus to shield and armor RR. This allows you to lock incoming frigatesfast enough to blap them with sentrys. Additional it has the best aligntime and base speed, wich will safe your arse in dangerous situations. Last But not Least it is superior in supporting stationary defence fleets independent of shield or armor tanking. Repping structures while shieldboosting your fleet is pretty awesome.
Thanatos comes second, trading Agility/Speed/Scanresofor better Cap&Buffer, wich barel makes a diffence. Archon has one room for 1 Sebo leading to painful locking times, wich is disgusting if encountering frigates. Archon also is far slower and has higher aligntime wich in many situatons is your death despite better tank. Warping your carrier away when a fleet lands on grid is hilarious. Chimera combines all downsides and puts fitting difficulties on top.


Sigh.
Archon best - local resist bonus makes it triage and RR better. RR is what carriers are about, triage is the endgame. Did I mention it can provide cap at damn good range. So it can juice up those Bhalgorns, rejuice its triage companions etc etc.

Chimera for shield, more or less as for archon - but fitting is a PITA.

Thanny - can armour tank good enough, so can assist with utility shield - but needs to hug its capmates.

Nid - ARGGHHHHH - cant fit it, cant use its bonus. Utter crap, fine on POS. Who the fk wants a carrier to rep poses.


FFS DONT GET A CARRIER FOR RATTING OR AMAZING ALIGN TIME^ either truly dumb or excellent troll. Fleet cynos on top and align means SFA.

n.b Thanks Lieng - nice to hear, sad to hear how long it will take to rescue my favourite carrier :)
Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2013-05-03 03:09:23 UTC
Keep in mind that once the new patch drops cross training to a different race carrier will be super easy. So I'd look at the upcoming carrier pre-reqs and train those. Then when the new patch is released train into your preferred race carrier for whatever you'll be doing.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#19 - 2013-05-03 03:55:11 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
Hopefully CCP will fix it when they get around to carriers :) Even I want one.. ok.. now I need a shower.. dirty minmatar slaves..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnKk2ysyNrA

That was 8 years ago and the video still fits the Nid even if the Thanatos has fallen from the top since then.

I would not hope for a fix to arrive very soon.

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Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-05-03 05:07:32 UTC
Work Computer ate my nice long post yet again...


Basically the Nid comes in third in everything.


Shield Caps(terrible)
Chimera
Thanny
Niddy
Archon (god awful)

Armor Caps
Archon
Thanny
NIddy
Chimera(Does work with a passible tank)

With the amount of large Cap fleets you can fly whatever. In small alliance fleets stick to your doctrine of what everyone else flies. Dont be the snowflake.

Look at your fuel costs as well if you have to pay for your own fuel and what is pleasing to your eyes.
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