EVE General Discussion

What would make FW work? Sort out the problems. How about making FW mechanics work properly and fairly across all time zones and factions?

PROBLEM: Plexes that spawn in systems with the wrong occupation status are reshuffled using a down-time script to systems with the correct occupation status
SOLUTION: New programming of plex spawn so that reshuffle occurs as soon as it spawns in illegal system
PRIORITY: High
EFFORT: ?, Probably high due to reuse of old code.

PROBLEM: Faction standing loss on remote repping faction ally
SOLUTION: Change the standing programming
PRIORITY: High
EFFORT: ?, Probably high due to reuse of old code.

PROBLEM: Amarr/Gallente complexes can captured by speed tanking
SOLUTION: Change plex _capture_ programming to make it so that the timer doesn't run down whilst navy spawn is alive. Defence programming stays the same.
PRIORITY: Medium
EFFORT: I don't know of any other game feature that uses a similar mechanic. So, it should be easier.

However, the more I look at it the less sure I am of how low-hanging any of this fruit is. We need CCP to tell us what is easy to fix; rather than telling us what is easy to do, even if its not a fix.

Doesn't look there'll be many FW pressies under the tree this winter.

I'm not terribly experienced in FW, so I won't think too much about how to "fix" it, but rather how I would envision FW in an ideal situation.

The biggest thing is you need incentive. Mission access isn't enough. Faction Warfare should be primarily or even entirely a PvP thing. Simply saying "here's a license to kill some guys" isn't enough either. You need a catalyst for conflict.

So you needs incentive. To hell with missions. Capturing territory should grant you LP. Killing enemy faction pilots should grant you LP. Defending territory should grant you LP. Territory should fall easily and quicky, no long ass timers. Factions are big enough that there should always be people online and fighting. Capturing territory close to your faction's space should be faster/easier than capturing far away territory, so that if the frontlines are pushed to your doorstep there's an incentive to push them back again. The faucet of the faction LP stores should be countered by the massive sink that the war would generate.

I haven't read the whole thread. Those ideas have probably been repeated. But I'm repeating them again, just in case.

Well, at least I can respect honesty.

As for you calling out my lack of plexing points, I'd hardly say that makes me uninvolved with Faction Warfare. You may see FW as a plexing system mechanic, I think most of us in this thread see FW as a community of players. You're right, its a static wardec. And that static wardec is far more interesting than the plexing mechanic. That's why we're offering suggestions for improvement. It shouldn't be just players treating it as a wardec, there should be some interesting reasons to fight over the plexes. As it stands right now, reclaiming a system is completely irrelevant, and does not drive players to participate.

Warping frigs around to orbit a button is extremely boring gameplay, and just because many of us don't do that doesn't mean we're "not really doing FW" Those of us treating FW as a static wardec for fun and PvP purposes are a lot more involved than those who simply plant alts in the militia so they can farm missions, take the money elsewhere, and than sit back and say the militias don't know what they're talking about when it comes to FW.

Bad messenger is a simple troll guys, don't bother responding back and forth. Clearly he's here to make sure that his mission income is protected, or to see that FW is done away with completely, either way he's not here to help make useful suggestions so I wouldn't keep wasting your time back and forth.

I regret taking the bait up till this point.

This is such a pathetic response, I'll just show you how it's done:

Bad, looks like you stopped reading halfway through my (Hans') first paragraph, and then scanned through the rest. I don't plex because it's broken. I would plex if it weren't. Hope that clears things up. Although I've said almost nothing about the FW's core mechanic, instead focusing on 'problems' that could indeed be solved directly with an RvB-style solution, I do care about the whole picture of liberating systems from the Amarr. It's just... it's been a while for everyone, it's easy to forget what the actual point of this exercise is, when the point's been blunted all this time. I appreciate the reminder.

Eh, and sorry about that 'troll' stuff. Sebiestor mothers have many wonderful attributes, but they don't teach their children how to argue properly, or even what the actual point of argumentation is. This is all kind of a haze of status-seeking, ego-protecting, social-happy-fun-time for me, with any accumulated truthful conclusions as only a useful accident. Clash of cultures.

I would like to see the VP's for plexing replaced with LP. That would make plexing a little more bearable, at the very least. Currently you can go out and plex or spend that time running missions. Most players are going to choose missions simply because it helps fund their pvp.

Anyhow, 'bout time someone from CCP chimes in on this thread again. There are tons of great ideas floating around, it'd be nice to know that someone is paying attention?

Perhaps the VP should be a form of non-tradeable currency (for want of a better term). Every time you want to run a FW mission, you lose some VP points. This way you HAVE to be active in FW to mission in FW. I know some people will complain about this suggestion, but it was an idea I was kicking over with some people (minnies would you believe it!!!!) in Shalee's channel as one way to fix farming.

This should go without saying, but I thought I'd add that this system should only be implemented if the plexing system itself is made more interesting than "orbit a button and wait".

Otherwise, all you're doing is forcing people to do something everyone's already complaining about.

But yes, if the plexes are fun and challenging to fight in, than I'd certainly be fine with making VP a requirement for the missions and subsequent rewards.

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Now that they are boosting the boosters every fleet will need an alt booster.

You do not still have any good ideas how to make fw better.

You are stuck on idea that nerfing missions solve something or forcing people to do something.

Ideas has to be so cool that everyone want to plex after those and without rewards. Then you have something.