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It's time CCP opens up a new dimension in combat/low sec piracy. Introduce a Combat Mining ship.
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HUGO DRAX
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-04-30 00:10:17 UTC
Backstory, ORE discovered rare Jove technology that allowed them to build a special strip mining laser that can mine minerals from the armor and hull of any ship. These special strip miners required a new tech mining vessel to be constructed. This new Battleminer vessel (armor/fittings similar to a tier 3 battle ship) will allow the highly skilled capsuleer to mine ships for rare minerals.

So here is how it works. This special Battlemining ship can fit combat strip miners and different mining crystals. Depending on the crystal you can mine different minerals off the armor and hull of a ship.

You cannot destroy ships but you can permanently weaken the armor,structure and modules of the ship as you mine Megacyte from the ship (using the appropriate crystal, other minerals can be mined with different effects)

So a basic effect could be if 100% of the Megacyte is mined from a Dominix, they lose 100% resists to kinetic. Making the ship 100% vulnerable to kinetic damage, with any resist modules that improve kinetic also taking on damage.

Once this happens, the only way to fix the Dominix and/or associated modules is to take it to the repair shop and pay to get it fixed.


Just imagine the implications, it could open up a new form of lowsec piracy, stripmining ships for profit for those who want to make money that way. Or in fleet combat operating combat mining operations in war helping weaken the opponents ships and mine minerals at the same time for a positive synergistic effect for all players involved.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-04-30 00:25:35 UTC
One question for you.

How are you going to mine your way through my shields before I kill you?
HUGO DRAX
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-04-30 01:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: HUGO DRAX
Danika Princip wrote:
One question for you.

How are you going to mine your way through my shields before I kill you?


The stripminer penetrates shields due to the out of phase modulated subatomic particle beam it generates, allowing it to go straight to Armor and the Hull.

Remember the combat mining ship does not take down armor or hull, it weakens permanently the structural integrity of the vessel(until repaired at the repair shop). It is not a solo combat ship, although it could be used for hit and run ship mining to scalp minerals from any ships it targets.

And in fleet combat operations, it could be valuable as well. Weaken enemy ships by removing resist bonuses, allowing the combat pilots to target and take down ships quicker, in addition to bringing valuable minerals back to HQ for industrial production.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-04-30 01:17:15 UTC
It can bypass shields? Broken mechanic.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-04-30 01:55:24 UTC
HUGO DRAX wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
One question for you.

How are you going to mine your way through my shields before I kill you?


The stripminer penetrates shields due to the out of phase modulated subatomic particle beam it generates, allowing it to go straight to Armor and the Hull.

Remember the combat mining ship does not take down armor or hull, it weakens permanently the structural integrity of the vessel(until repaired at the repair shop). It is not a solo combat ship, although it could be used for hit and run ship mining to scalp minerals from any ships it targets.

And in fleet combat operations, it could be valuable as well. Weaken enemy ships by removing resist bonuses, allowing the combat pilots to target and take down ships quicker, in addition to bringing valuable minerals back to HQ for industrial production.


So there is literally no defence against it, and no way to stop all your modules being ripped apart and your hull resists removed. Why, exactly, does armour tanking need this nerf?

It is also apparently a source of completely free minerals. I simply mine everything out of my dominix, dock up and repair (For free, since I'm in nullsec and using a station belonging to my alliance.)
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-04-30 02:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Everybody will be mining each other's hulls, and nobody will ever die.Big smile

Danika Princip wrote:
HUGO DRAX wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
One question for you.

How are you going to mine your way through my shields before I kill you?


The stripminer penetrates shields due to the out of phase modulated subatomic particle beam it generates, allowing it to go straight to Armor and the Hull.

Remember the combat mining ship does not take down armor or hull, it weakens permanently the structural integrity of the vessel(until repaired at the repair shop). It is not a solo combat ship, although it could be used for hit and run ship mining to scalp minerals from any ships it targets.

And in fleet combat operations, it could be valuable as well. Weaken enemy ships by removing resist bonuses, allowing the combat pilots to target and take down ships quicker, in addition to bringing valuable minerals back to HQ for industrial production.


So there is literally no defence against it, and no way to stop all your modules being ripped apart and your hull resists removed. Why, exactly, does armour tanking need this nerf?

It is also apparently a source of completely free minerals. I simply mine everything out of my dominix, dock up and repair (For free, since I'm in nullsec and using a station belonging to my alliance.)


Why dock up or limit yourself to null? Hull repairer baby! Fix these minerals.Cool
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#7 - 2013-04-30 03:20:59 UTC
HUGO DRAX wrote:
Backstory, ORE discovered rare Jove technology that allowed them to build a special strip mining laser that can mine minerals from the armor and hull of any ship. These special strip miners required a new tech mining vessel to be constructed. This new Battleminer vessel (armor/fittings similar to a tier 3 battle ship) will allow the highly skilled capsuleer to mine ships for rare minerals.

So here is how it works. This special Battlemining ship can fit combat strip miners and different mining crystals. Depending on the crystal you can mine different minerals off the armor and hull of a ship.

You cannot destroy ships but you can permanently weaken the armor,structure and modules of the ship as you mine Megacyte from the ship (using the appropriate crystal, other minerals can be mined with different effects)

So a basic effect could be if 100% of the Megacyte is mined from a Dominix, they lose 100% resists to kinetic. Making the ship 100% vulnerable to kinetic damage, with any resist modules that improve kinetic also taking on damage.

Once this happens, the only way to fix the Dominix and/or associated modules is to take it to the repair shop and pay to get it fixed.


Just imagine the implications, it could open up a new form of lowsec piracy, stripmining ships for profit for those who want to make money that way. Or in fleet combat operating combat mining operations in war helping weaken the opponents ships and mine minerals at the same time for a positive synergistic effect for all players involved.

why miner and not salvager or both? For example if you use both strip miners and salvagers on enemy's ship, that ship ceases to exist and your opponent will find himself in a capsule.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#8 - 2013-04-30 05:14:38 UTC
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why miner and not salvager or both? For example if you use both strip miners and salvagers on enemy's ship, that ship ceases to exist and your opponent will find himself in a capsule.


Then you TB the POD into your cargohold to literally hold them for ransom. Ofc, then you forget and log with their POD still in your cargohold, and damn your internet goes out for a week and when you get back on the player is screaming at you that they've been stuck in your ship for over a week lol.

The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#9 - 2013-04-30 05:35:59 UTC
Can't tell if epic troll...

...or epic stupid.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2013-04-30 05:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Dude... the Procurer. Close range frigates don't even bother attacking them and they have more than enough tank to call for help when engaged by a cruiser (they have around 60 to 70k EHP).

A small group of them can be a scary sight... especially if combined with logistics.

How did you Veterans start?
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
High Bear Nation.
#11 - 2013-04-30 19:42:09 UTC
Rented wrote:
Can't tell if epic troll...

...or epic stupid.


lol

ive made comments that i would mine my initials into the side of someones ship before, but not this...

one could get remote hull reppers, hull reppers, remote armor reppers and armor reppers and a domi, then get this mining setup and bring an orca along. turn em on with a guardian permanently pumping its shields AND repping the domi.

one could just sit and mine the megacyte out of it for hours and then go sell the orca loaded with megacyte in jita.

what a great new source of income...

or, i could have like 6 of these sucking on my orca, once they fill their cargo, they jettison, i pick it up and stick it in my orca cargo and continue sitting there getting fixed by the guardians. we could make it a corp event and not even have to leave jita.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#12 - 2013-04-30 19:55:19 UTC
Here's a new, semi-wtf mechanic for mining:

Mining ships get an option to reverse the polarity of their mining lasers, effectively allowing them to pelt the enemy vessel with m3 after m3 of minerals.

On their own, the damage from this wouldn't be too considerable, but it can cause random disruptions in the ships systems. Most notably, the enemy vessels would react as if they've been bumped off alignment (because if it works to bump a freighter with a frigate and cause the freighter to swerve off, then pelting a frigate with a half ton of space debris should case it to do the same).

Also, though not guaranteed, there is a small chance to disrupt modules, such as ecm, turrets, shield boosters, etc. What module is affected is entirely random, but as a last ditch effort, you would try it to save your skin.

And because of the sensitive nature of mining barges' targeting system, they can lock even frigates immediately, but only if they don't have weaponry offensive modules equipped.



Holy ****. I actually like that idea.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?