Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can all you Amarr zealots please get to the Amarr BS and laser re-balance threads and argue for changes there? We don't need any more nerfs to Minmatar ships, thanks.

P.S. Try opening your minds and realizing that the nerfs to Minmatar ships over the last year or so (along with major buffs to other races' ships) make your constant whining about "Winmatar" totally invalid and only makes you look foolish. Also, if you'd ever jump on the test servers and actually look to see what Devs are flying, you'd see that many of them use Amarrian ships.

Can all you Amarr zealots please get to the Amarr BS and laser re-balance threads and argue for changes there? We don't need any more nerfs to Minmatar ships, thanks.

P.S. Try opening your minds and realizing that the nerfs to Minmatar ships over the last year or so (along with major buffs to other races' ships) make your constant whining about "Winmatar" totally invalid and only makes you look foolish. Also, if you'd ever jump on the test servers and actually look to see what Devs are flying, you'd see that many of them use Amarrian ships.

As I said before: Having a full rack of beams has some other issues than PG, which is outside scope of this thread.



Nope. MWD won't fit if you want full rack of 1400's on mael. You need a pg mod/rig as other ships do.

[quote=Kenshi Hanshin]
1400mm Arty /= Mega

*(Look in game at the fitting requirements if you don't get it)

1400mm Arty = Tachyon.

Heavy DPS kiting ship. Or at least that is what I'm hoping after a few more tweaks.

That Naomi character is one pretty special snowflake alright. Added to my block posts list.

Winmatar is dead. You are still living in 2011, where rifters, thrashers and ruptures reigned supreme and hurricanes were good.

Nobody flies rifters any more.

Algos and Dragoon made thrasher look lilke a tame little dog.

Ruptures are becoming an extinct species.

Cane has been repeatedly hit in the head.

The roaming gangs are vexors/mallers with augurors/exequrors atm. Minmatar occupy at best support roles like webbing/tacking.

Only selling point of "winmatar" is that webbing and high alpha of arties atm.

Welcome to 2013

Winmatar is dead. You are still living in 2011, where rifters, thrashers and ruptures reigned supreme and hurricanes were good.

Nobody flies rifters any more.

Algos and Dragoon made thrasher look lilke a tame little dog.

Ruptures are becoming an extinct species.

Cane has been repeatedly hit in the head.

The roaming gangs are vexors/mallers with augurors/exequrors atm. Minmatar occupy at best support roles like webbing/tacking.

Only selling point of "winmatar" is that webbing and high alpha of arties atm.

Welcome to 2013

Falloff bonus is not the way to go because the tornado already has it and the tornado have higher damage and higher mobility.

Tempest:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+8.5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff

Slot layout: 8H, 5M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG, 550 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6900 (-100) / 6900 (-400) / 6800
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 (+10) / .11 (-0.1) / 101050000 / ??
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 350 (-10)

Seeing as tiers have now been removed completely from the game, why exactly should the Mael, which is much stronger EHP wise, also be able out damage the Tempest, therefore always leaving the Tempest in a poor second place. I think this paradigm is the possible cause of the Tempests current issue.

By combining bonuses and giving a 8.5% rate of fire bonus instead this is what you are looking at in terms of sustained dps when looking at projectiles taking 100% as the max.

Mael - 100%
Tornado - 100%
Tempest - 98%

So the sustained Dps of the Tempest is just below that of the Tornado and Mael. Then when you take into account the two utilities you will be doing more sustained dps over a period of time.

Now looking at alpha damage this is how it looks with again 100% as the max.

Mael - 100%
Tornado - 100%
Tempest - 75%

So clear roles are evident here now. If you want sustained dps with a mobile hull then the Tempest is now looking very attractive. If you want alpha then you want to go for the mael or the tornado.

Now the falloff bonus is included as the Tempest is an attack BS, and so kiting will be the predominant tactic, this bonus fits that role perfectly with either autos or artillery.

With a proposal along these lines you are getting clear roles for each BS. I haven't calulated where the Typhoon fits in here, but I assume it is putting out even more dps due to its relatively weaker hull as it quite rightly should do. And obviously being a missile ship there is little overlap between the projectile firing Tempest.

If any further nerfs are needed then I would drop EHP further if deemed necessary, although a modicum of EHP will be required as it is intended to kite so will still be sustaining damage despite being able to perhaps mitigate some. But perhaps with this level of dps some reduction may be needed to offset the damage.

But in essence what you will have is a very clear roles.

If you want mobile projectile based dps, then you would choose the Tempest.
If you want sniping, then you go for the Tornado.
If you want fleet ship with heavy tank, good sustained dps and alpha, but a slow hull to compensate, then you have the Mael.
If you want mobile missile based dps, then you go for the Typhoon.