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Niyon Miromme
#1 - 2013-04-29 08:13:26 UTC
I was curious is it worth my while going to high sec and grind missions to lvl 3-4 or stay in low sec and plex/rat?

Because alot has changed since i last played so is it worth my while?

How much isk you can ge Per hour from missions?

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Nometh Xergent
#2 - 2013-04-29 09:33:46 UTC
I dont really know, since it's all about skills and how you fly the missions.
But i have heard it is around 40-45/m hour. As i said, im not sure.

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#3 - 2013-04-29 10:12:09 UTC
Highsec lvl4 blitzting/grinding is good if you want to get ISK without risk. A Very skilled char + brain.exe can get 100mio+ ISK/h in highsec.

Lowsec plexing is much more fun though. You have to get through gatecamp, watch local, watch dscan. Then you see probes comming and going .. maybe another ratter? Maybe a pvp corp in the hunt for a target.

You get an escalation into 0.0 but you sit in your 3 Bil. clone? DO IT! Fun times. It gets your heart pumping.

Lowsec exploration is a lot better with 2 Accounts, 1 for probing and scouting in a covert cloak ship. And one for running the sites.

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Niyon Miromme
#4 - 2013-04-29 10:14:34 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Highsec lvl4 blitzting/grinding is good if you want to get ISK without risk. A Very skilled char + brain.exe can get 100mio+ ISK/h in highsec.

Lowsec plexing is much more fun though. You have to get through gatecamp, watch local, watch dscan. Then you see probes comming and going .. maybe another ratter? Maybe a pvp corp in the hunt for a target.

You get an escalation into 0.0 but you sit in your 3 Bil. clone? DO IT! Fun times. It gets your heart pumping.

Lowsec exploration is a lot better with 2 Accounts, 1 for probing and scouting in a covert cloak ship. And one for running the sites.


I started to do Plexes and ratting problem i can only solo rats. Seems plex too difficult as told to do forsaken hubs.

I fly a maelstrom 1400mm artillery and passive shield against specific rat. I still struggle to tank them but may change so need to do them with groups

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#5 - 2013-04-29 10:45:20 UTC
Forsaken hubs? In lowsec? With a passiv Maelstrom? What the .. i don't even.

Don't fly a Maelstrom in PvE Passiv! Just don't do it. No wonder you can't tank it.
A Maelstrom in lowsec is also a big target, try an Autocannon Tornado with MWD. With some kiting you can do the DED 5/10 solo.

The Anomalies in low are not worth the time, do combat plexing like DED and unrated, do level 4 in highsec or join a 0.0 corp and do Anomalies.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#6 - 2013-04-29 10:56:08 UTC
Niyon Miromme wrote:
passive shield


Found your problem.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-04-29 12:22:26 UTC
Yeah, a Maelstrom is not a passive-tanking boat. It's got the active booster bonus, no resist bonuses, and its buffer isn't quite up to par with equivalent battleships from other races. On the other hand, an active-boosting Maelstrom will shrug off insane amounts of damage. It just doesn't lend itself to an AFK or semi-AFK play style.

There are really only two battleships that are well-suited to passive tanking: the Scorpion Navy and the Rattlesnake.

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Anthar Thebess
#8 - 2013-04-29 14:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
Try something like this - it is good for lowsec:
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Melikor Tissant
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#9 - 2013-04-29 14:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Melikor Tissant
L4 missions in a good ship and in the right place can bring a decent isk/hour. I'm not sure about the 100m isk/h as mentioned earlier.
There is also incursions.
Its relatively safe even in a semi pimped ship.

Exploration/plexing in low and null depends on how much you wish to risk in ship (if you solo) and where you are doing it.
There are also radar/mag sites which can bring you a very nice boost to isk (finding skill boots, all sort of interesting things) which can sell nicely.
With the higher ISK there is also the higher risk.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#10 - 2013-04-29 14:46:28 UTC
Melikor Tissant wrote:
L4 missions in a good ship and in the right place can bring a decent isk/hour. I'm not sure about the 100m isk/h as mentioned earlier.

Needs pimped Macha + good skills + imps + active flying + blitzting + cherry picking + brain. That combination will result in ~60k LP/h.

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Niyon Miromme
#11 - 2013-04-30 08:26:37 UTC
Hello folks.

I appreciate everyone replies.

My issue is total noob here. I was given a maelstrom by a friend i'm low on isk. I can't do much not even buy another BS. So Maelstrom is the ship i will need. My location is relevatly safe to any outsiders.

I changed fittings slightly but as you all said MUST BE ACTIVE TANK, i understand but in my situation it will be weeks months before i can.
I have 8 artillery
1 EM and 1 Thermic shield things (non active)
2 TII Recharge booster
1 shield thing (non active)
1 Large Shield booster

lows : Gyroblaster II, Tracking Enhancers II and some shield thing.

3rigs that are shield extenders i believe.

With that i deplete in 6mins. So i would need to increase skills atm.


I saw people put missiles on. Issue is i dont have very good missile skills. My artillery far pass the missiles. I will do those skills at somepoint but atm need to have basics/ standard down atleast before i can venture into customizing my ship.

So any other advice with my situation. I've heard many opinions and most of them are very different.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-04-30 09:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Niyon Miromme wrote:
I changed fittings slightly but as you all said MUST BE ACTIVE TANK, i understand but in my situation it will be weeks months before i can.
I have 8 artillery
1 EM and 1 Thermic shield things (non active)
2 TII Recharge booster
1 shield thing (non active)
1 Large Shield booster

lows : Gyroblaster II, Tracking Enhancers II and some shield thing.

3rigs that are shield extenders i believe.

With that i deplete in 6mins. So i would need to increase skills atm.

Hello. The text below implies purely PvE fit and assumes that if you're caught in PvP you're toast anyways. So let's say it's about hisec L4 mission fitting.

You don't have to run every module all the time, so don't count minutes till shutdown. My mission boat caps in like 1:30, but in practice it can stay on the field for quite some time if needed.

What to improve:

- Download EVE Fitting Tool or PYFA. It helps with figuring out fits a lot, but also it can be used to just copy-paste fits in text form so that you don't have to type it manually (and spare everyone trouble to read them "manually" as well);
- You'd want to drop that Large Booster and install XLarge one. You can have better burst tank and if you don't need it, just turn it off. In other words, pulse it when needed. Try to stay at 30% shields while doing that to maximize your passive regen; not a big deal, but why not?
- Replace passive hardeners with active ones. Use those types that match rats damage profile (like, EM+EM+Therm against Blood raiders or Sansha etc.). You don't need so many boost amps if you tank against specific damage types.
- "Shield thing" is not a mod; throw it away;
- All those field extenders are not needed on PvE ships unless you fully passive tank (you don't fully passive tank with Mael);
- Same goes to rigs.

For starters, you could use this fit. It's maybe not optimal (esp with all tose cap mods and rigs), but should work at first.

[Maelstrom, Missioning Maelstrom]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

X-Large Shield Booster II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II

1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


Replace Hammerheads with Valkyries if you're fighting Angels. DPS of this boat isn't quite stellar, so you'd want to assist with drones when you are killing BSs, if possible. It goes without saying that ammo type should match rat resistance hole (just in case I'll say it again, use their damage profile-specific specific hardeners as well).

Was not sure if you can use T2 guns, so I used meta4s. DCU II may be questionable, but when you aren't too confident, no shame in fitting a bit more tank.

Oh, and don't forget to use EVE Survival for missions.

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