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Odyssey - so where's the promised solo/casual content?

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Dark Cloud Dancing
Goldcrest Enterprises
#41 - 2013-04-28 21:38:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:




TL:DR: Odyssey for solo/casual players = yet another underwhelming expansion. Still hopeful for the future.



What exactly do you want? EVe is already too "solo friendly", you can litterally do everything in game except take sov or jump a capital ship solo (I was about to add incursions, but you can "solo" those with ISBoxer lol). Missions are pure solo content as is most shooting-involved PVE, hell you can solo all but 1 or 2 of the highest difficult DED plexes.

There is enough solo content. EVE needs ore group content like incusions, wormholes and now Data/Relic sites.



What I want is more new content that can be done solo. Very happy if it can only be done solo at a disadvantage to groups, or with less reward than in groups. I love w-space, taken several (solo) long trips through w-space, even to C6s. Incursions annoy me, why shouldn't there be some minor incursion sites that can be soloed, I don't expect to be able to run an entire incursion on my own. Data/relic sites are not new, they're an iteration on existing exploration sites, and my OP clearly states I'm waiting to see what they're like before deciding if they're good or not for my playstyle.

What I want is for CCP to keep its promise.



Then this demonstrats that you are simply bored, what yo want already exists. Or are you going to tell me you've done every single 10/10 solo, every null sec and low sec COSMOS complex, every low sec lvl 5, every single high sec exploration room, every single epic arc missions at least twice, mined every kind of ore everywhere etc etc etc.

The ONLY non solo content EVE has is taking sov, jumping a capital ship (just jumping, it only takes one tooon to FLY the damn ship), top end wormholes and Incursions without ISBoxer.

You're literally saying "The whole game isn't enough, i want more". That a personal issue dude, not something wrong with the game or CCP's content addition schedule.


This one I need to think about and reflect on. Yes I absolutely do want more from what was envisioned as the "ultimate scifi simulator". Have I done all EVE's current PVE content already? No, you're right there, and I am working to make more of it accessible to me. Am I bored with the PVE content? You might be right, which may be why I just started training for a SB (mid term goal: solo PVP kill in w-space).

Thank you for making me think about my own motivations.
Arronicus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-04-28 21:53:51 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
hi, i hear you're a solo player.

let me introduce you to the most antisocial activity in eve, in order to match your highly antisocial personality.
it's called mining.

thanks for your time.


GTFO.
Mining actually works much better as a group, with haulers, and ganglinks.
Dave Stark
#43 - 2013-04-28 21:55:55 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
hi, i hear you're a solo player.

let me introduce you to the most antisocial activity in eve, in order to match your highly antisocial personality.
it's called mining.

thanks for your time.


GTFO.
Mining actually works much better as a group, with haulers, and ganglinks.


i didn't say it didn't.

i just pointed out it's the most antisocial activity in eve. you don't want other players with you. i didn't say you didn't want your own personal fleet of 30 accounts.

miners don't want to join corps, it's detrimental.
miners don't want to share their belts with you, it's detrimental.
all miners want are alts.

it's an antisocial activity.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#44 - 2013-04-28 21:57:48 UTC
Roime wrote:
Well, while I don't really see EVE as a solo game, and that it's nearly impossible to design any kind of exclusively solo content that couldn't be exploited by groups more efficiently without breaking the open world sandbox, OP is in fact right.

CCP did very clearly acknowledge the solo casuals (CCP Seagull in her first dev blog, and CSM 7 December summit minutes), and Odyssey doesn't seem to deliver much on that front, unless you count the exploration tweaks as solo/casual stuff.



In a way, expecting anything new from Odyssey was unreal. So it's OK that Odyssey is just a glorified patch (the fourth in a row) and so we better wait until winter to call out CCP and ask them to stop calling us stupid .

But then, i've seen most of Fanfest and not only the future content is severely lacking, but the few that's been hinted plain isn't of use to solo/casuals.

And yet solo/casuals are naturally the single largest demographic in EVE.

Look around the game and think what the average guy in EVE would answer to these questions:

- Do you have many friends in RL?
- Do you have RL responsabilities you can't bypass to spend more time ingame?
- Do your RL responsabilities have a potential to interfere with a ongoing long-winded activity?

If you answered "No", congratulations, you have the potential to enjoy EVE at its maximum. But a single "yes" means that you're out of luck and this is not your game, really, even if you find something you enjoy doing like forever. Becasue that "somethign" will not be the best the game can offer (and too often will tstnk after a short while), and you will be a second rate citizen compared to the guys who can take the game seriously enough and commit their RL to it.
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#45 - 2013-04-28 21:59:36 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
hi, i hear you're a solo player.

let me introduce you to the most antisocial activity in eve, in order to match your highly antisocial personality.
it's called mining.

thanks for your time.


GTFO.
Mining actually works much better as a group, with haulers, and ganglinks.

Except that's not how it works. Mining in a "group" often just means a solo player with 5 accounts...cause no miner wants to share his profits with everyone else.
Josef Djugashvilis
#46 - 2013-04-28 22:00:06 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
"hey guys how do i play this mmo solo?"

Missing the point of the WHOLE GAME 101.


50% of players do solo... official quote from fan-fest.

This is not a signature.

Ginger Barbarella
#47 - 2013-04-28 22:01:17 UTC
I'm curious why some of you get such a hard-on for people who want to play solo. And no, I don't give a crap what "MMO" stands for: I do what I choose however I chose with whomever I choose, and (chances are) I make more isk at it than you gong-bangers that can only perform in a blob...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-04-28 22:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Valari Nala Zena
Double post
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2013-04-28 22:03:49 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
- Do you have many friends in RL?
- Do you have RL responsabilities you can't bypass to spend more time ingame?
- Do your RL responsabilities have a potential to interfere with a ongoing long-winded activity?

If you answered "No", congratulations, you have the potential to enjoy EVE at its maximum. But a single "yes" means that you're out of luck and this is not your game
…and yet, people who answer yes to all of them really enjoy the game at its maximum and even manage to become e-famous for it.
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-04-28 22:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Valari Nala Zena
Sigh, messed up again (double post)
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-04-28 22:04:43 UTC
This expansion seems to be built on promoting teamplay, which is fine imo.
Some examples:
Exploration - people will have a hard time catching the loot after hacking solo.
Ratting - top tier hubs have rats that scram, promotes more teamplay.

Occasionally i like ice mining even for the convenience, but i'm fine with the changes.

The only thing i find unfortunate is that there are no "astounding" game changing updates.

Odyssey:
Some eyecandy - always very good.
The scanning changes - very good.
Ice belts nerfed - good.
POS changes - good.
Tags for sec = isk for sec? Hmmm, debatable but better than grindfest - ok.
Capital rigs - meh.
Redesigned & navy ships - meh.

The only thing that i found astounding:
Building your own stargates, now that is in my eyes the kind of change i look for.
But it's not for this expansion, but i wish there was something like this every expansion.

Another example, if you do want to adds ships, why not think of an entire new class.
For example a mobile outpost that can be piloted and people can dock in, that is the kind of change i'm speaking of.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#52 - 2013-04-28 22:08:22 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
hi, i hear you're a solo player.

let me introduce you to the most antisocial activity in eve, in order to match your highly antisocial personality.
it's called mining.

thanks for your time.


GTFO.
Mining actually works much better as a group, with haulers, and ganglinks.


i didn't say it didn't.

i just pointed out it's the most antisocial activity in eve. you don't want other players with you. i didn't say you didn't want your own personal fleet of 30 accounts.

miners don't want to join corps, it's detrimental.
miners don't want to share their belts with you, it's detrimental.
all miners want are alts.

it's an antisocial activity.


Well, i guess that chatting on two channels at once whiIe I mine it's the definition of an antisocial activity... Lol
Dave Stark
#53 - 2013-04-28 22:09:16 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
hi, i hear you're a solo player.

let me introduce you to the most antisocial activity in eve, in order to match your highly antisocial personality.
it's called mining.

thanks for your time.


GTFO.
Mining actually works much better as a group, with haulers, and ganglinks.


i didn't say it didn't.

i just pointed out it's the most antisocial activity in eve. you don't want other players with you. i didn't say you didn't want your own personal fleet of 30 accounts.

miners don't want to join corps, it's detrimental.
miners don't want to share their belts with you, it's detrimental.
all miners want are alts.

it's an antisocial activity.


Well, i guess that chatting on two channels at once whiIe I mine it's the definition of an antisocial activity... Lol


i chat in chat channels too.
i do that BECAUSE mining is so antisocial. it's also why i post on the forum.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
#54 - 2013-04-28 22:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
"hey guys how do i play this mmo solo?"

Missing the point of the WHOLE GAME 101.


50% of players do solo... official quote from fan-fest.


Doesn't 100% of everyone "do" solo at some point. I mean solo is doing you "do", it isn't something you "are". Sometimes you are in the mood for interaction, sometimes you are in the mood for solo. I can't see why a game would actually reduce a huge portion of its content. IF it is actually doing that, which i have no idea whether it is.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#55 - 2013-04-28 22:21:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
hi, i hear you're a solo player.

let me introduce you to the most antisocial activity in eve, in order to match your highly antisocial personality.
it's called mining.

thanks for your time.


GTFO.
Mining actually works much better as a group, with haulers, and ganglinks.


i didn't say it didn't.

i just pointed out it's the most antisocial activity in eve. you don't want other players with you. i didn't say you didn't want your own personal fleet of 30 accounts.

miners don't want to join corps, it's detrimental.
miners don't want to share their belts with you, it's detrimental.
all miners want are alts.

it's an antisocial activity.


Well, i guess that chatting on two channels at once whiIe I mine it's the definition of an antisocial activity... Lol


i chat in chat channels too.
i do that BECAUSE mining is so antisocial. it's also why i post on the forum.


Yay, talking to people is SO antisocial...Lol
Steveir
Hagukure
#56 - 2013-04-28 23:22:02 UTC
While I admit that I have not read all the details, in details, the headlines of the Expansions - don't exactly sound like an expansion.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of the work they have done over the last year has been very good; moved the interface in a good direction. Just fix the overview and drones and I think that would get the last bit of that.

However, the stuff that attracts new players, and keeps old players playing, is new stuff - and I agree with the OP, its a bit thin on the ground at the moment.

Still early days, but if CCP doesn't add new stuff - then there will be a decline in subs, and no one wants that :)
Dave Stark
#57 - 2013-04-28 23:22:56 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Yay, talking to people is SO antisocial...Lol


talking to people isn't mining, though.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-04-28 23:27:58 UTC
did the people complaining miss the fact that they're taking rats out of the exploration sites? that's a pretty big bonus to solo players as you can run them in your bonused scan ship.

forums.  serious business.

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#59 - 2013-04-29 00:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Tbh this is gas expansion re balancing and changes to stuff.

Glorified patch not that i complain but i have different view of what expansion should be.

Edited.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-04-29 00:07:53 UTC
Dark Cloud Dancing wrote:
Sobach wrote:
0wl wrote:
Seriously? Didn't you pay attention to the exploration changes? * Facepalm *


Things that the OP doesn't like to do naturally doesn't count.



Wrong, and wrong again. I do exploration, and I like it. I did pay attention to the exploration changes, and apart from the new minigame (which I did say I was going to wait and see if they're good or bad), the changes are cosmetic (new system scan on undock) or just bad (nerfed scanning skills and new scanning mods).

Did you even read the OP?

The system scan is not simply cosmetic. I think you're seriously underestimating how functionally different having scan results show as physical locations in space really is. It would make ratter hunting in 0.0 a lot easier, for example.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)