Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Um. Bhaalgorn?

The issue is that Lasers don't work on unbonused hulls due to their crippling PG & Cap costs compared to the other weapons.
But this is an issue with Lasers.
To be honest, I'm really looking forward to all three hulls in Odyssey. Most of the complaints in this thread actually are talking about the crippling issue of Lasers. Not the hulls themselves being poor.
Is the Geddon a huge change, yes, but it also no longer feels overshadowed.

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Now if they could just fix lasers..... as the laser thread has been clammering for and half the pages here, then I would be a very happy pilot.

I agree, main problem its lasers, and in my opinion also the new armagedon´s PW. If CCP solves that we would have three very interesting ships (IMO).

Also Tempest having more base armor than apoc its a bit strange but not gamebreaking at all.

i never used a amarr BS even if i have the skill at 5 and T2 turrets but i feel really sorry for the rework on the geddon, its like seeing 1 eve icon going down, i think i better buy one now and use it for a while

May i point out that alpha maelstorm has more ehp than hellcat, since it can dedicate its rig slots to something other than rigs that just make it possible to fire your guns, it is much faster, has huge alpha, even has better (on paper) dps up to 45km with short range ammo, and can run its microwarp drive for 3 min and be stable at 80% while it is off, while on the other hand Abaddon can mwd around for about a min while using cap batteries constantly, and can fire its guns with mwd off for about 5 min again with constant use of cap batteries. Advantages of Abaddon are 10% more Em&thermal resist and 5% more kin&explosive, at least it was before the nerf, and better tracking that wont do you any good.

Ever since IT raped Test&Goons with 1400arty maels while being outnumbered 10 to 1 so many years ago everyone started using them, and the main reason they work is that you dont have to make any sacrifices at all while fitting them.

Well, you make at least one - a Maelstrom cannot mount a full set of 1400mm arty IIs and a 100mn MWD without some kind of energy grid upgrade, and that's not counting anything else. Oh, and the cap's only good for 2m 23s at that point, so you won't be running it for 5mins straight without adding some sort of cap mod.

Throwing together some fits, the Mael needs a PG rig, the 'Baddon a PG mod and rig. The 'Baddon gets better DPS (and better applied DPS), because once you've added in sensor mods and so on the Meal doesn't have as much room for DPS mods as you might expect unless you're willing to have under 100K EHP (and we can then reduce the 'Baddon to match giving it extra mod space too). What the Meal does have is double the alpha, and infinite cap duration when not using the MWD.

Now, come Odessey the reduced power requirements for Tachs means the 'Baddon can lose the PG rig, which more than compensates for the lost resists. The Mael remains considerably faster, but has a much bigger signature radius (but both are big and slow enough that even fury cruise missiles will be getting good results on them).

Again, the fitting, while it remains aesthetically unpleasing isn't as bad as people are making out, and nor are Amarr battleships suffering as much as people claim. The upcoming buff to beams is going to help quite a bit. I do agree that a bit more relaxation of cap costs wouldn't go amiss, but it doesn't need to be much.

So far nothing has happened to the Nightmare directly. However, as large laser are becoming easier to fit (beams) and easier on cap (beams and pulses), the NM should see a slight buff from that.

Alrighty, and that's honestly just fine for a ship that doesn't literally shoot cap at it's opponents. Do you know why the Mael is better in the situation you proposed? It still shoots after that 2m 23s. The Abaddon does not.

I notice you failed to mention what the total cap time is on the supposedly comparable Abaddon. Napkin math tells me it's less than a minute.

That. Is exactly why the Amarr players are in such a fit over this. Because we are the only race with that kind of problem.

This is ok to you?

I didn't watch the entire video, do you have a link and time I can see that? Because if true, then I am about to ignite a s***storm of epic proportions.

I obviously haven't looked at the Nav Harb on test server yet, but the Nav Omen is actually cap stable perma-running it's 4 lasers by themselves with nothing fitted to help it's cap, so they actually balanced it's cap properly.

(hint hint WTF Abaddon?)