Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As for the minni BS changes:

I like the direction CCP is going with the phoon. However I feel that they should specialize it more. Personally I feel that a 'Big cyclone' would be amazing for the typhoon, Make it a pure missile BS, and drop the 'versatility' BS. Versatility is a joke. Drones do no applied damage, and having split weapons is terrible. If possible I hope that CCP specializes this BS even more so into a missile setup.

Tempest

Nano pest used to be an amazing thing. It had speed, projection, and brought a platform into small gang that had 2 heavy neuts. It was a great ship. Then the tier three's happened. The tier threes (for the most part) have completely eclipsed the entire BS class. The tempest was no exception. Since the iterations of the tier 3, BS have become pushed into an extremely niche role. Sadly with the new TE changes coming our way, it seems that the beloved nano pest will once again be relegated even farther into mediocrity. With the new TE's in place it will have horrible projection, and still suffer from the fact that Tier 3 do the job so much better.

The Pest cannot brawl, as it is out classed in very way when compared to gallente BS. So I would like to ask CCP where they plan on placing the importance or usefulness of the pest- because frankly I am struggling to find one.

Mael

Again not many changes here- still a good fleet / arty ship and with dual XLASB ok for trolling bad's while brawling on gate. I don't have much to say about the ship class, as I primarily am concerned with solo / small gang. The mael is not made for this, and that's fine.

For BS in general however:

I feel that CCP is missing the entire point when it comes to the BS class. (What are they useful for?) Since the advent of the Tier 3, there really has not been a point (other than large fleet battles) where a BS is more useful than a Tier 3. The ONLY thing that BS can do is bring a heavy neut to the field. Other than that, tier 3 hold all of the cards. They have more mobility, projection, and damage. In sight of this BS have not been given a significant EHP boost, or damage boost. Personally I feel that tier 3 are breaking the game and should be removed. Because to bring BS in line with what Tier 3 are capable of- CCP would need to make some hard choices regarding base EHP / DPS of ALL BS class ships.

Just my 2 isk

typhoon look fine
mael look fine
tempest its too damn slow CCP whats the idea making the mega faster than the pest?

lol what?

since when the drone bay is a defining factor for ship speed, what matter is dsp and dps projection if that dps come from turrets drones or missile its not so important if CCP give the mega back the dmg (not rof) bonus and the 125m dronebay to the mega im totally happy )but probably i would consider it a nerf) but with that dps and that speed the mega its just straight better than the pest

So it works for what it is kind of intended for (with 5 mids), but it has less PG than armortanking ships? It used to have (almost) the exact same PG as a megathron. It just needed you to fit to many turrets, that's getting fixed. Remember that in the future, the abaddon has to support 8 guns, the rokh has 8 guns, the mael has 8 guns, the hyperion has 6 guns (and a 10% bonus). Under those circumstances, all seems to be pretty nice :)

So not only is the phoon faster with a higher drone bay, it is also much less cap dependant than it meaning it can project it's dps for a longer time. Even more important it's dps would only be slightly higher with a full drone bay and with it's shorter range it needs a full flight to do a decent amount of damage before getting in it's range. And it's only better than the pest because of it's gimped layout.

See...we are thinking the same :)

Please have another look at the damage numbers yourself.

Arttys are high alfa weapons. this is there advantage. Yes Tachs will out DPS 1400 arttys, but so will almost every other large gun. arttys give up the DPS for having the highest alfa. the only ship that can beat the alfa damage of a full rack of 8 1400mm T2 guns is a seiged dread. If arttys also has good DPS they would be OP. it is all about tradeoffs.

laser weapons do not have the best alfa, or the best DPS. they suck a lot of cap, but do not require a cargohold full of ammo to keep fighting. in fact T1 ammo is basically unlimited. T1 crystals do not wear out. Faction or T2 crystals do, but that is the price you pay for more damage. a set of 8 faction crystals does not put a dent in your cargo like 10000 rounds of large autocannon ammo does, and the laser ammo will last longer.

There are benefits and penalties to every weapon system. If you ignore certain aspects you can make any system look over powered.

No weapon system can out DPS the equivalent size blasters. Does this make them OP? NO. Blasters suffer from limited range, they require ammo and cap, as well as a decently tanked ship. these penalties balance them out.

Tachyosn have the second highest alpha,, the highest DPS and the highest tracking . Their only downside are fittings. The capacitor you are supposed to supply with injectors, using your HUGE cargo hold (larger than other races) that is also not used by ammo...

Can all you Amarr zealots please get to the Amarr BS and laser re-balance threads and argue for changes there? We don't need any more nerfs to Minmatar ships, thanks.

P.S. Try opening your minds and realizing that the nerfs to Minmatar ships over the last year or so (along with major buffs to other races' ships) make your constant whining about "Winmatar" totally invalid and only makes you look foolish. Also, if you'd ever jump on the test servers and actually look to see what Devs are flying, you'd see that many of them use Amarrian ships.