Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Funny as how it was not extreme enough to be done on the hyperion.. double values here.... clear double values. The tempest main problem is the slot layout. Seem that the tempest is simply cursed forever...

I will not waste time makign proposals based on current slot layout because its nearly impossible to get a USEFUL ship with that slot layout on current metagame.

if its illusory.. why Rise had to break it to fix the hyperion? hint.. because its not illusory. Its a HORRIBLE slot layout.

Don't mind her. I've been around long enough to see them make this mistake over and over again. They've finally gone in the right direction with the Hyperion, and maybe with :metrics: in time, they'll realise they've made the mistake, yet again, with the Tempest.

Its amusing how you have managed to convince yourself that your proposal is correct and CCP is doing it all wrong. Just have some faith in CCP Rise, he is on the right track.

And look at it another way, the change to the Geddon was the most extreme, least desired, and right now, the most contencious change they could have made to any ship - and yet it was absolutely necessary and, beyond a little tweaking the best course they could have made.

You had 3 battleships that not only trampled all over each other in behaviour/flavour as well as role, but in the wider context of the game, had too many ships trying to do the same thing (armour/fleet) without the diversity in mechanics to make it work. Sooo... they took drastic action.

With the Tempest, although you might not immedately make the observation that it's role is competing with ships around it, looked cross radically, it's painfully apparent. You have a ship that needs 2 damage bonuses, plus an unwieldy amalgamation of drones and missiles, to give it a level of dps and damage projection that's only useful when fitted with no tank. And with armour, there's just too many ships already better damage projection, with the speed and ehp to mater. Beyond getting lectured by the alt of some noob who thinks it's a good idea to fit weapons rigs on a battleship - I already know where fuc.king with the speed/class role over lap goes.

Like it or not, there has been significant power creep with the changes already made, which is OK, because of the strength of ABC's and T3's, however, thankfully, it's been towards making Battleships overall, more distinct as a platform than smaller existing classes of ships. All, barring the Tempest of course, which in some ways as a BATTLESHIP makes even less sense after recent changes, than it did before.

yes.. tempest need both its bonuses to mattch the SINGLE bonus from the hyperion. Your attempt to put the hyperion as the victim in fact doubles back at you. The tempest is twice in disadvantage there.


Tempest currently is paying huge price of 2 bonuses of damage to achieve dps of 1 normal Battleship, a horrible slot layout and a mediocre drone bay to get what? A single extra high slot free for neutralizers . The neutralizer is cool. But the difference between 1 and 2 neutralizers is MUCH smaller than between 0 and 1. All the price that tempest pays for it is not worht it. And now that the mobility role has been stolen by attack BC and the neutralzier role has been stolen by the armageddon. .. now the tempest is paying a HUGE price.. to be mediocre on that role.


That role does not exist anymore. the tempest must receive the same treatment as the hyperion. Ignore for a moment the maelstrom exists. Why would a tempest not be justified to have 10% damage per level 7.5% shield boost per level.. move 1 high to a mid.. and gain 125m drone bay? before you say its overpowered.. pay attention. is EXACLTY what was done to the hyperion. It would be a mirror ship. IF that is not acceptable for the tempest.. then its not as well for the hyperion.


There are better options than that.. but the current layout is simply unable to provide a realistic role with an acceptable level of performance.

And how many of those entities use battleship in the way the hew typhoon (that spawned this discussion) is intended to be used? Weapon rigs are failure in 9/10 times in battleships. 0.0 doctrines a LOT of times are not the best fit, becauser they must allow a MASS of members to train fast to a specific setup and keep costs reasonable (although that does nto mean CHEAP)

Exactly why are you comparing an Attack bc to a combat one? Why don't you compare it's stats to the megathron then see how well it stacks up to it's actual class

Ok keep digging your heads into the sand. You can easily go onto their sites and see the weapon rigs are pretty fundamental to the ship fittings. Also cost is a very important factor, a full set of weapon rigs cost a fraction of the price of 3 trimarks. But that isn't the only reason, I can name many more situations where weapon rigs are much better than endurance rigs. But to go to great length I feel I would be wasting my time as it is futile to discuss when opinions are so blinkered. But anyway, don't take my word for it, you can go onto their websites how prevelant weapon rigs are for yourselves if you wish.

LOLfits obviously with meta-levels shifted around for fitting, but note high slot usage on the Megathron. Megathron outdamages the Tempest beyond neut range.