Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As long as you have the Command Ships skill injected, you will be future-proof against the changes in Odyssey as the changes affect the Command Ships skill itself.

I want a link to that answer. Also there are some concerns about command ships skill: you can inject it pre-odyssey and avoid learning all warfares to 5, then post-odyssey when they remove logistics and hacs from prereqs you'll be able to fly all commands assuming you have BC 5 (who doesnt?). That contradicts with CCP's policy "if you can fly it before patch - you could do it afterwards" to some extent.
Also i need some clarification: can you add skill that misses prerequisites to skill queue if you have it injected? Because when i asked about it ingame i've been told that you cant.

Answer as linked to in the first post of comments thread

Actually, it doesn't contradict it at all. This is a case of 'You couldn't fly it before but you can now' which has nothing to do with if you could fly it before still being able to fly it now. I understand why you might get confused, but the policy you are talking about is CCP's policy of not removing abilities you had from your character. This is an addition.

For the skill queue clarification, CCP have clarified that come Odyssey once a skill is injected it will be trainable regardless. This is a change from the current system.

Reimbursement? There will be no skill point or skill reimbursements in Odyssey.

This whole skill tree change is really incredibly simple: if you can activate/board a ship before the change, you can do it also after the change. Nothing affects you.

For example- I have CS V and can fly the Astarte and Eos now. After Odyssey, I can fly them both at lvl V even if the Required Skills pages for Command Ships I listed Minmatar Titan V, Fast Talk V, Exhumers IV and all shield compensation skills to III as prerequisites. (I don't have those skills)

If you can't yet fly the ship, the prerequisites to inject primary skills will be different after Odyssey. So the change only concerns those who cannot yet fly said ship, and they should revisit their training plans.

However, the new skill prerequisites make an awful lot of sense. Back to my example, even though I have CS V, I don't have the Warfare skills. I would be much more useful for my fleet if I met all those new prerequisites, as HAC and Logistics skills are completely useless when I sit in Astarte or Eos, but links would be sweet.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reimburse

The additional skillpoints are just a result of A) splitting the skills into racial skills and B) CCP policy "if you can fly it now, you can fly it later".

Command Ships skills will not be split.



I clarified my post. Of course you need the primary and secondary (and tertiary) skills to fly a ship, but they will be Battlecruisers V and Command Ships I in Odyssey. And currently BC V is prerequisite for CS.

However, the Warfare skills are not needed to fly the ship. You need them in order to inject Command Ships skill.

i don't remember which dev said it but "If you could fly it before the tiericide you will still be able to after" or something close to that.

Right-click any ship, Show Info, select Prerequisites tab.

You need the Primary (and Secondary and Tertiary on advanced ships) skills to use the ship. All the other skills listed under these skills are prerequisites for injecting these main skills. As is obvious from the intendation. They are listed just for your comfort, so you don't need to show info on each of the skills separately to see their prerequisites.

Good luck in EVE, you might run into things that are actually difficult to grasp, at least compared to this skill change.

has anyone tested this yet? i have command ships 1 but not the leadership stuff not wasting money on the ship just to test..

I'm kinda confuzzled as to the why the fack did they do it that way?

So I need to have all Warfare links now at V, to fly any Command Ship.

Explain to me how this makes sense;

To fly a Damnation, which is an armor bonus command ship. Why the hell do I need to have Siege Warfare at V to fly it now? This is a goddamned armor bonus ship. If I'm going to be using 3 (or more) links on it, one of them sure as snot is NOT going to be a fricking Siege Warfare link.

To fly a Vulture, which is an shield bonus command ship. Why the hell do I need to have Armor Warfare at V to fly it now? This is a goddamned shield bonus ship. If I'm going to be using 3 (or more) links on it, one of them sure as snot is NOT going to be a fricking Armor Warfare link.

Ok mayyybe you see where I'm going with this.

This "rebalancing" has just made Command Ships obsolete, as I can get a 7 link Loki or Legion, Tengu or Proteus, in less time than it takes to get to Command Ships. Plus I get better bonuses. For the T3's If I only want to fly T2 armor links, I can. But Command Ships, I have to have ALL warfare skills at V first.

So riddle me this Batman, how is this "rebalanced"?

What would make sense to me is having your racial bonus skill, Amarr-Armor, Caldari-Siege, Minnie-skirmish and Gally-Info ONLY at V. What you choose to do after you get into that, is your problem. But instead we have crappy faction battlecruisers.

That's just me, I could be wrong.