Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Reading through all these posts, there seem to be plenty of people focused on tweaking the Typhoon to give bonuses they want it to have so they can start using it. There are also a large number of passionate posts from people who actually fly the damn ship as it is now and don't want to see it gutted.

I have yet to hear anyone call the current Typhoon OP so let's have a look at why CCP wanted to change it in the first place. The Typhoon is currently the cheapest Minmatar BS, which makes it the first purchase for a lot of Minmatar pilots looking to start flying a BS and this is where the problem lies. To get the most out of the Typhoon you need a lot of skills and you need to think outside the box. It's strength is in its utility. A newly minted BS pilot will struggle to use it in many situations and likely won't have the skills to fully utilize its utility. This makes it a poor first choice for a BS pilot. But the Teircide initiative will result in all three battleships having a similar cost, so this issue goes away. A newly minted BS pilot can choose the Tempest or Maelstrom for their first BS and leave the Typhoon until they are ready for it.

I fully understand that there need to be tweaks to get the Typhoon in line with all of the other battleships but I fly a Typhoon now and I really hate the thought of loosing the heart of what makes the ship truly shine, its utility. No-one is asking for this ship to become OP at missiles, projectiles and drones. But it should be able to use any of these effectively.

I personally would rather loose a launcher and regain the old drone bay and bandwidth. I would also like to see the hull bonuses more in line with the Navy Scythe proposal. People have posted this before and been shot down for proposing such an OP idea but please, show me a fit where you can run missiles, projectiles, drones, missile damage mods, projectile damage mods, drone damage mods, mwd, and tank in the same damn fit.

i cant say if its a proble monly by dps of those guns but i think problem consists of a combination of tracking and dmg.
cause what keeps me from flying bs even in pve is that you clip your dmg to easy in fast Ac fit BS

i dont want it to become armored sniper

might sound silly but it realy like to fly that ship even itf it was a little bit worse than their counterparts cause i really like the style and looks of it.
and those tell hey im a fast agressive dps boat.
and that it should be

it needs better dmg bonus and a tracking bonus (maybe some fittingspace but i cant decide that) the slot layout is fine but i would also like the 6/6 lows but that doesnt realy matter to me you can make both work
i could see it as a little bit heavier minmatar version of the talos little bit more of everything except speed and dps.

The problem resides on HORRIBLE slot layout of tempest. 6 lows are not enough for enough damage modules AND a tank. The shield tanked tempest is basically outdone by the talos and is a relic ship...

TEmpest need a 7th low slot or a 6th MId so it can fit properly liek a real battleship! It suffers from the same stupid issue that the Hyperion used to suffer..

But no.. everyoen has been complaining on the tempest lack of position and role for 6 years and yet its the most ignored one by balance teams.

Hey guys

I'm not ignoring anything, I promise. I think many of the last few posts are kind of extreme, but I also agree that the Tempest potentially falls short considering the rest of the changes in this pass. For now, I don't want to make a change. I'd rather wait a little longer (hopefully for sisi testing) to get the best overall sense possible, then make some adjustments. Part of the reason for not committing to something now is that it may be that other ships (like the Hyperion) need adjustments as well (if its too strong) and so I want to wait until we feel we've got the best sense possible for the entire class before we make final changes.

We'll keep looking at the Tempest though, and if it does end up feeling too weak, we'll make a change.

thats just uber nonsense

every ship is compareable with every other if you define the intended use and then compare every aspect.
so the coparison between hyperion and tempest is completely viable until you proove he missed something.

to make it even clearer why would anyone fly a ship thats outclassed by another in every or near every aspect?

The whoel concept on these changes is called TIERCIDE.. REMOVING THE CONCEPT OF TIERS. Read the first post please. There is not more tier 1 , 2 and 3 battleships !!!

When is this test gonna be ? i will let u fit your Tempest how u want and i will bring everyother bs in a 1vs1 vs u and **** that pest i will eat it alive to make my point and we can do this how many times u want to ..u will lose 9 out of 10 also people are complaining about hyperion because as a gallente ship it shouldnt be faster then a minmatar one ..aka tempest..tempest should be more agile more speed thats why is Minmatar also go to your poket get a coin and flip it ..heads for armor buffed tempest ...tails for shield buffed tempest ..the tempest should be like the fleet pest ..7 lows 5 med 8 high and should get to use +1/2 more guns ..it should get more agility + more speed (go 1.3-1.4k with mwd on w/o speed mods) that way u can say that that ship has an advantage over others ..like the hyp will have on tanking people complain so take that into notice dont just "For now, I don't want to make a change." attitude like this is bullshit ...a problem has been brought into your eyes by many players ..fix the problem thats why u are employed @ ccp and we pay the damn subscription

The torpedo typhoon is still too bad to use.

The problem is basically the torpedo's problem. Many people like to compare the torpedo typhoon with blaster Megathron as both of them are armor tanked close range brawler.

Typhoon:
Range: 20KM
DPS: 780+drone, 10s ammo switch
Targets can hit: BS, shield tank BC

Magathron
Range: from 9KM+10KM to 16KM+29KM
DPS: from 1000+drone to 770+drone, 5s ammo switch
Targets can hit: BS, BC, CR, AB fit HAC, even destroyers

Typhoon has the advantage that saves the capacitor and slightly faster. However the advantage of speed is so negligible for an armor tanked battleship.

And the critical disadvantage for typhoon is its extremely limited target range and effectiveness. With torpedo, you can safely assume the typhoon will always deal less damage to a cruiser/hac than a cyclone, and when fighting battleships, the typhoon does no do more damage than other turret assault battleships, and it has many constrains(target painter, web) to make sure the torpedo can deal the damage that lines up with other battleships.

Yeah so the typhoon maybe good, but the torpedo is bad. While the Neutron Blaster Cannon doubles the range from its cruiser variant (Heavy Neutron Blaster), the Torpedo has exactly the same optimal as Heavy Assault Missiles, and the only two torpedo battleships have only 6 launchers that make sure the torpedo has no advantage in neither damage dealing or optimal range, and the advantage of missiles,"do not miss", has been minimized by signature radius and the competitors' tracking speed bonus.

Thing is.. almost no one will be trying the battleships that were not buffed or changed at all (500 PG is not that relevant). People do not get on test server to test ships they think sux.

Tempest will be barely tested, if at all on test server because of that.

There is need to think on scenarios where that ship could be better than other ships. As of now is very hard to find roles for the temepest that are not completely outperformed by either gallente battleships, maelstrom or armageddon (that as some have already said, stole the neutralizer battleship role)