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Never mind CCP Peligro answered it

This.

Oh i know what your explicitly after i just prefer to have specific things clarified for my own legal backside :) and damn it i shoulda caught that. i was specifically scrolling through dev posts

I was wondering when some muppet would bring this theory.

CCP can test me as much as they like for cheating, they're not going to find squat. Know why? Because there's nothing to find.


Prove it.

Not this. Just because we're sick of CCP's doubletalk and redefining what they've previously said was fine doesn't mean we're guilty of using tools that reasonable people would consider unfair.
Unless you consider my use of EVEMon to be worthy of a ban. Not to mention other tools I use which I'm not sure even interact with EVE at all apart from either capturing the DirectX output and writing it to disk (FRAPS) or overlaying specific information from other programs into the DirectX output before displayed on the screen (Mumble and Teamspeak overlays). And I seriously doubt you would agree that any of these, apart from EVEMon, violate the EULA. I also doubt you would agree that EVEMon's cache scraping function should violate the EULA.

Personally, I'm still wondering what functions cache scraping provides which actually constitutes cheating, and what sort of cheating is being done which isn't caught by catchall phrases such as "illegal to modify the client" or "illegal to automate tasks towards the client", thus rendering the whole cache scraping point moot.

As I've said earlier in this thread, I don't trust that they won't have some "misunderstanding" against someone, especially given the fact that they're saying, yet again, that cache scraping isn't going to be punished under the EULA (yet), shortly after someone in the security group apparently has no problems saying that any cache scraping is illegal and has always been illegal. That's because of another left hand not talking to the right hand situation, and down that path lies tears.

After all, what are the chances that the customer support guy (or GM) is going to believe you when you say "I haven't cheated, why am I being punished as a cheater?"? I'm going to go with "pretty much none", since I'm sure even those who actually do bot will say "I don't bot, what gives?" when they get caught/punished.

This thread needs to be closed.
It's a clusterf*****k of self inflicted fear uncertainty doubt and what must be deliberate mis interpretation and wilful lack of understanding. It servers no purpose other than to increase tinfoil hat sales - I suspect the goons, don't they own the tinfoil moons?

CCP have made themselves clear.
If you are capable of understanding the CCP message then continue cache scraping for purposes not against the spirit of the ELUA.

If you are all in a woeful tizzy maelstorm of sky falling down, and quitting eve. Then just uninstall whatever 3dd party software you are using, and get yerself off down to see the nurse for some meds before a nice peaceful nap. Amd stop worrying.

I swear some people get off on worrying - and board lawyering mixed with a supersized dose of lack of comprehension .

why do people still insist that eve-mon is doing cache scrapes?

are you guys new on this game? years ago there was a huge ruckus with the cache and it was agreed that pulling market information was ok, they even made the client do market dumps in plain text as opposed to the old garbled cache format.

market dumps are even done in a separate folder, its not even used as cache by the game. they are just tab formatted market dumps.


so please, stop spreading misinformation. no market uploader touches the cache of the game, only market dumps.

and claiming they will ban people who upload market dumps that the game overtly does for no other purpose than to allow that specific use, is a silly as saying they will ban all miners because the mining lasers re-cycle automatically, even when a miner is on the next room reading a book.


cache scrapping is a bad thing, we all get it, and we all understood it for the last 5 or 6 years. because cache scrapping was used in the past to:

- know which ship just entered system without having it on grid, probed or even on dscan.
- create a dummy bookmark to warp to, without having that bookmark, or a warpin on those coordinates.

and has been recently used to:

- know what text is entered on which field in game. <- this is why they banned that E-Uni dude.

i am honestly surprised by the fact CCP employees don't seem to be aware that years ago they modified the client cache system in a way that made the client dump text information from the in-game market.

they don't seem to know that they even added code to the IGB to allow items to be loaded from it...

honestly im baffled... is it really that hard to pick up a phone and call someone who worked years ago in CCP and ask them "hey men, why is the client creating a text file every time an item is searched for in the market, and why is that file never, ever accessed again by the client? why is it plain text? why is it time coded? why is said file even created when the client does not use it as cache of the items information, and asks the server for updated information every time that item is searched for?


there's no need to make a half assed claim like " we will only ban cache scrapping if its used to bot or something against the TOS" all they need to say is "ehhh.... the market dumps are not cache."


cache is model information, textures, input fields, including even information in the region of the RAM the game has assigned. you cant access that information... in fact, if you live in the US that's actually illegal, as in "omg i need a lawyer" illegal, and you have your congressmen to thank for that.

In my country - you cannot monitor someone else PC - in the way CCP wants to.
This is forbidden by law.
( i know - no one cares :D, and no one forcing me to play eve )