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This is lame policy, with an even lamer execution. "X" will get you banned, but only if you do "Y" too...probably

How is this anything other than the option to go on a power trip? It basically gives CCP the power to ban anyone they want, any time, for any reason they want. What's the point of even having a detailed policy at this point?

"Dude, you pissed me off in game...and I see you're doing cache scraping...so byebye"

I don't see how this is, practically speaking, useful. If "Y" will get you banned, and "Y" is what they care about, then just stick with making "Y" the offense.

What does this serve, other than angering players?

so basically,

1. botters that should've been perma-banned only got a 30 day ban (as if anyone actually believed a hack wasn't against the rule)
2. conspiracy theorists and/or bot sympathizers proceeds to make Mt. Olympus out of a grain of sand

did I miss anything?

Did you even read past his first paragraph?

As per http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/ post it seems that if one group of players get banned for a violation of the EULA during your fight against “cheaters” then all should be treated equally. Now because it was only a small part of the population they get banned and the larger group that violated the EULA gets a warning and amnesty date of 15 April 2013. The other issue is now the Hi-sec and Null mining bots that are obvious bots or macro nothing has been done.

In business it’s all about profit. By banning a small number of the population for an EULA violation that is bloody minor i.e. AP to zero Vs 25 man bot mining fleet, just a show that you guys are “trying” to curb the problem. The real issue is that banning every one using a utility that violates the game EULA will bankrupt your company due to game being “played” over 50% of the time with the help of third party programs.

Also having a GM as judge jury and executioner of an EULA violaion doesnt sit well with me given CCP's past true or untrue percieved transgressions of unfair advantage by using dev right to effect game world by a large portion of the player base.

The EULA is a signed contract that binds us as the player to your preset rules conditions, while all you have said today was the signed contract means nothing to you and we can do what we please how we please and still take your money, and as long as whatever GM is on is happy with you, your time in eve will continue.

Technology is changing and the current EULA's of a lot of companies are pretty dated. Third party UI's custom, interfaces and other player modifications are becoming fairly standard in MMO's, and most every one is bannable in curent EULA's if you actually take the time to read them.

But it once again cost money to change them so it is easier to just ignore the violation than actually do any thing about it to protect the player base and not just the company.

Sorry. I guess I misunderstood this effort to create a decoder back in 2008 to read the cache files meant that the files were encrypted.

As a player who does not cheat, bot or hack, I can say I for one do appreciate your efforts.

The issue isn't that we think CCP is going to ban 50% of their users tomorrow. They aren't. It would financially destroy them.

Understand that the 2,350 accounts represent $40,000 a month in income. That's a lot of banning that they could have ignored and took the money. I don't doubt that CCP is trying to do what is right and fair and putting their money where there mouth is. And this was over something that a "lot" of people see as a very trivial offense.

The issue is this. Just like any other game company, CCP has it's 'less' desirable customers. The people that point out when GM's and CCP Dev's make mistakes (Like CCP Stallman stating this was "always" the policy when it was not). These customers may not always be the best to deal with, but you really can't go around just dumping them because it looks unfair to simply "ban" people who haven't broken the EULA simply for pointing out the PR mistakes that are made from time to time.

Now, imagine you're one of those customers, and at some point, you get banned for running EVEMon because CCP doesn't want to deal with you any more.

Voila, quashed dissent in one broadly interpreted EULA stroke.

Is it tin foil hattery? Sure. But this is also the same company that repeatedly denied t20 was cheating, and then when they finally came clean, they still didn't fire him.

So again, the concern isn't that CCP is going to ban everyone. The concern is that this gives them carte blanche to ban those they want to because almost everyone has used something that cache scrapes or does other things in violation of 9C.

I am a pretty solitary player, I tried playing two characters once and it was terrible trying to manage two accounts, I can not imagine how people can play more than one character without some sort of automated help.

I pay for my account, to play a fair game. Eve is hard enough as it is as a solitary player, getting jumped by automated fleets is a disincentive to paying my next subscription bill.

Ban the people who abuse the system and stay quiet about it. All this "transparency" is aiding the people who you are trying to catch, or at least dissuade from cheating. Telling us what you are doing is like a poker player showing the hand before betting.

Keep it secret, keep them afraid. Talking about it just reassures them that you are wishy-washy about enforcing the EULA.

I dunno what this EveCentral thing is about, but if it gives one player, corp or alliance an unfair advantage, I pray to the dev-gods they get perma-banned. I did use EveMon for a while, but it really never did anything more than show me my skills in an attractive format. I deleted it because it did noting good for me.

Ban the abusers and go have a drink!

Arcaus Rotrau Romali, CCP Pel, I think CCP needs to hold one of it's near future conventions in Atlanta :D

Dutschetss, I pay for this account, and plex an alt account I pretty much use only to support this one (ie, flying haulers/freighters/orcas, mining, etc).

As for the EULA changes, let's just go total tinfoil hats and change it to read "If you get too rude and/or obnoxious, or we feel that what you do is cheating in any way, shape or form, "Boot to the head!" :P

The alphabet is hard! Thanks for the catch James. Post corrected.