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If I couldn't use the cache I'd just write a better program but I guess that's just me because I'm a PhD programmer

Does this mean i can stalk you? j/k :P I live about an hour south of you, around the Macon/Milledgville area.

Ignoring for a moment the cache scrapping issue, there is a larger issue here that is much more worrisome as a potential sign of things to come. That's how this idea was introduced to the community at large. First the CSM was not consulted on this and this is being done during a transition phase when all major business should have been concluded.

This tells me one of two things:

1. CCP doesn't respect the CSM as stakeholder or even advisory body on behalf of the players. Doing an 11th hour rewrite of the EULA in which half the player base can now be banned is a rather huge step, one that with such broad implications to the player base you would think someone on the CSM would have gotten at least a Hallmark Card that this was coming. Though I don't know the Icelandic for "Hey sorry I stomped all over the player base and the purpose of the CSM for 12th, lets snuggle?" Instead in a major decision where CSM feedback on behalf of the player base was needed, and frankly the purpose of the CSM, people were left in the dark and as a result everyone should be mad.

2. CCP knew this was a bad idea, knew that they would not get the response they wanted from the CSM, and probably wanted to avoid giving anyone the chance to discuss this reasonably went ahead and pushed at the 11th hour with a CSM winding down. Its the kind of arrogance we have seen before in the past and gives us 60$ pants in space and no new ships.

I'm going to hope that CCP decides that in the future a hand in hand partnership with the CSM is not only good for player relations but good for business. So with that lets treat this like when we play soccer and the ball get intercepted by the neighbors Labrador Retriever, call for a do-over and let CCP and the next CSM work things out.

I mean if things go south there is always someone out there opening up a Kickstarter project for a sandbox internet spaceship game right?

My understanding is that the cache files are encrypted, and the issue is the decryption of the files. CCP put the language in to take care of people using python injection and other code injection and the like and the decryption done by the cache-scrapers falls into his category.

Because of the unclarity of the EULA and the Dev team, I think the best thing for me to do is.....uninstall and take my hard earned money and play another game. Why should i sit here and read yes its ok, no its not ok all the time and worry about my game being banned. Yes I run EVEMON and check eve central and will be the first to admit it.

What would be a great clarification is if it was said here is what you can run, here is what you cannot run. If there is something that is not listed, ask

Might be time to uninstall

I hate agreeing with a Goon, just on principle, but.... ;)
1. I think you're mostly right... it seems as if the groups that have used the CSM, even as nothing more as a sounding board, have all indicated that their finished product has generally met with much better reviews than the groups that haven't. Not being CSM myself, I may be way off-mark here, but I rather doubt Team Security talks to them much, if at all, just by the nature of their work. What they do doesn't involve module rebalancing, ship tiericide, or UI improvements, is not seen by the player base (usually) as Team Gridlock's lag reduction/server latency work, and it's quite likely they're more paranoid about NDA violations screwing up their progress. If anything, they may do little more than a short "Yeah, here's what we've already done, now can we go back to our dark hacker caves?" type presentation at the summits. We also have to keep in mind that the CSM is a limited resource, with RL responsibilities as well. They simply can't be everywhere at once.

2. Probably partly right as well... pulling this off just before FanFest, when CSM7 is well into "lame duck" status, was incredibly bone-headed. It also tracks with CCP's past foot-in-mouth debacles (TriExporter, anyone?) However, I don't think their intent was ever to shut down useful tools like Eve-Central. Perhaps if the original blog post had read something like "Recent code improvements have allowed us to detect cache scraping, something that wasn't possible before. This telemetry has been integrated with our bot-detection routines, and offenders will meet the biomass chamber." The EULA is never brought into it (or if it must be, talk only about the section that says they're allowed to and ignore the gray-area scraping section), and it still gets the point across that as CCP Pel said, "Something HAS changed" without giving away just how they're doing it.

If EVEMon gained the ability to alter your in-game skill queue without logging on, then you'd get banned for using it. Otherwise this is fear-mongering hyperbole.

gone through a dozen pages about cache scraping. how about a different issue: customizing the overview: it is possible to use xml codes to add in colors and other information to brackets in space a good example: http://www.gamefront.com/files/?filepath=orcacommander/EVE/Sarah_Overview_Pack_0.2.3.rar

all this mess for an autopilot at 0k ban?

but i disagree about ban without warning, even if user read EULA, same think will happen if another "eve third party software" is suddenly targeted as illegal then the same user will be perma banned.

autopilot at 0km works at least since 2010, why ban now without notice?.

im tired of all this s.h.i.t. (sry), i will dont invest more money (plex or credit card) and time (skills, time in game, etc) playing a game to be banned or perma banned cause CCP suddenly without notice for a technicism losing my chars, assets, etc.

dont count with my 60 bucks montlhy anymore.

Hi there! I answered this one earlier.