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This pretty much sums it up folks.

The only people who should be worried are the cheaters. Not honest players who use evemon and such.

You don't live in Salem do you? I don't think that trial format worked out very well last time either.

There is a difference between a keyboard macro which achieves automation, and a complex bot which relies on injecting code into the EVE process. When you get detected as using a particularly nasty bot, I can say: "You are permanently banned" as opposed to "You are temporarily banned".

Code injection bots place additional strain on our systems. They are detrimental to you, the legitimate players ability to enjoy EVE Online. That is why we have these rules in place. We'll further elaborate on this topic during the EVE Security presentation at FanFest, but honestly, this rule is there to help our legitimate players, not to get rid of them.

Ban them now, forget the discretional bit. If anyone is using gear or programmes to automate the game or gain an advantage in ANY way they should be banned. Most likely any players banned would not be paying cash anyway due to practically botting their way through the game so why dilly dally? So get on with it CCP..enforce the EULA totally, no exceptions.

God...almost 20 pages and people still asking the same and same question. Can't you F read the first 3 pages before crying?

CCP should ban everyone asking about Evemon past page 5 because they can't read a damn thread.

Edit : it's nice to know multiboxing software are allowed for now <3

Thats great and all, but totally irrelevant. Make cache scraping 100 percent legal, use cache scraping usage as a detection method abd punish botters instead of eve-central users.

The phrase "at our discretion" is not something a person wants to hear when a bright line rule is being laid down. Nor is anyone happy when suddenly a long standing practice, expressly allowed by previous CCP employees, suddenly is now deemed a violation of the EULA. So useful programs like EVEmon suddenly can get people in trouble if CCP wishes it.

Well after a number of debacles between CCP and the player base you have to accept that some of us are going to be rather skeptical when things come down to a judgement call. Depending what employee is behind the wheel on a given day I could be given a pass for using EVEmon because of its cache scraping or find myself banned. Super.

Let me walk you through my day as a the director for Sundering's recruitment:

First thing is go through the 5 to 20 EVE mails of people looking to join and telling me what a perfect fit they are for the corp. Then, for the people that are actually online I either interview them immediately or set up a time to interview them. So I go through these interviews and while I am looking to see if the pilot is a good fit personality and play style wise, I also am looking for any clues that this person is a spy, awoxer, botter or RMTer.

Thank's to EVE's meta game spying and awoxing is an extremely fun, lucrative and interesting pass time. So as the director of recruitment its my job to be gate number one and keep as many of these guys out as possible. So doing a full API check and using EVEmon as a tool for background checking is useful for the following:

1. Forensic accounting: Has this person been receiving Isk from a hostile for an unexplained reason. Does it look like this person engages in RMTing.

2. Communications: Does this person receiving instructions from someone telling him how to spy, use a botting program, mention multiple account use.

3. Verifying Skills: Is this person actually a Titan pilot? Does he even know what a Titan is?

4. Lie Detection: He claimed to own several jump freighters and BPOs that he was willing to let the corp use, but lo and behold he just a has a rookie ship and a smile. My personal favorite was the guy telling me had no connection to a certain character but upon checking found both characters existed on the same account.

Now I am not using EVEmon in anyway that would break the game. It doesn't give me a greater advantage when flying my ship around and dying horribly in a fire. What it does do is allow me to confidentially carry out my task as recruitment director since there is no in game equivalent to the background checking EVEmon lets me do. It also hampers me from keeping out RMTers and botters. Not everyone is going to be a nice guy and tell you they do things that CCP frowns on, and in the past we have seen CCP take actions against corporations and alliances for not cracking down on botters and RMTers. So from my perspective, you want me to on guard against that while taking away the very tool that lets me be an effective guard. That is on top of the duty of recruiting reliable and trustworthy people.

I'm sorry but I want a brighter line than what CCP has thus far put out. I want CCP to say what specifically is and is not okay. I don't want there to be "discretionary judgement calls."

As a final note if these free third party programs get banned is CCP going to come in and offer their own pay as you go version? (Micro-transactions anyone?) Is CCP going to put something in game that allows me to do everything that EVEmon allows me to for my recruitment duties? Half of CCP's subscriber base surely wants to know.

I've missed like the last 6 pages of all this, but I'm glad to see CCP is modifying their policies w.r.t. cache scraping until an official EULA update can be performed.

Just to be clear, even though you promise not to, it is an EULA violation and bannable offense to use cache-scrapers like EVEMon, multiboxers, or the keystroke-macro feature that came with my Razer mouse?

Please educate me. I'm always interested in improving my knowledge of the law and how it applies to me. Of course whilst I'm not expecting you to reveal personally identifiable information - at a minimum stating where you studied UK Law would be useful in whether you're qualified to offer such advice.



CCP can already ban me - I've used EveMon past the April 15th amnesty. I've broken the EULA, which I believe makes my contract void.