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…too bad that there's nothing to indicate that they're breaking any rules.

Spot on!

The language of the third party policies post says that you may choose to "tolerate" certain programs or behaviors though, even if you don't authorize them.

Can we have a list of programs that you're currently tolerating instead? :)

You don't need to recommend the use of a tool or claim to know everything it does: you'd merely need to state that the use of tool X doesn't constitute an EULA violation. I'm not sure how saying "we won't ban you for using X" makes you legally liable for the actions of third parties, but then again I'm not a lawyer. Then again, neither are you.

Regardless, you need to come up with EULA wording that doesn't leave 95% of your customers in violation by default. Given that you already have clauses in the EULA that ban the sorts of activities you consider detrimental to the game (modifying the game world, accelerating or automating gameplay for the player's advantage), I don't see why your new stance on cache scraping is even necessary.

I don't really care how you go about addressing this deficiency of your EULA, but something should be done.

It's a good thing EveMon is the only reason I remember to buy PLEX every month.

What's that? It's on the prohibited software list? That's a shame. Let's see how long I can keep my accounts su

You guys do realize that you make yourself look pretty ridiculous when you point out the "not my department" line, right?

The various departments in your company can't cooperate (security and api devs or whatever the hell it is in this case) and therefore we as customers have to deal with this shizophrenic crap. Security puts up a wall around themselves and points to api devs, saying "Hey, this should be solved via the API, so we'll announce that cache scraping is a EULA bannable offence". The API devs, probably swamped with CREST work or whatever, put a wall around them, claiming "The stuff the players need works right now, we're working on something else and really don't have the time to change this".

The customer has to deal with two departments in one company who can't cooperate. The sane thing would be for security to say "Alright, until we get this stuff fixed on our behalf and until you can access the stuff via more technically appropriate means, let's go ahead and remove this bannable bit from the EULA. Please, players, until we get our stuff in order, go ahead and scrape all you want".

But nope, you rather ridicule yourself by putting out this shizophrenic, departmental behavior and point at each other internally, in public. Good stuff!

If someone is using a tool (any tool) that allows them to accelerate / automate gameplay or modify the game world they can already be banned for violating the EULA under the clauses that pertain to those sorts of actions. Where are you seeing a loophole here?

EVEMon also provides a market uploader that uses cache-scraping. Maybe you should be worried too?

Evemon has a cache scraper to upload market data as well. You might not be using it at the moment, but it's still a program that is capable of using it. ie, you might pull a ban if CCP feels like banning you, with no warning, no recourse, and you're out however many years you sunk into eve.

The real botters I'm sure don't give a **** about this, they know they'll pull a ban eventually. And most likely move onto another account etc.

No, they have already stated that they won't do that. If you are worried, turn the feature off.

Anyway, Goon whine is obviously not about Evemon.